Comment on Alarm as Florida Republicans move to fill deported workers’ jobs with children: ‘It’s insane, right?’

• moncharleskey@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  So you expect countries with smaller militaries (ie. all of them) to openly fund groups opposing a democratically elected leader?

  Why not? How often do people talk about using a time machine to take out Hitler? How is this different?

  We recognize the distinction, but you have to be aware that you are unfortunately a minority in the country. Less than a third of Americans actually voted against this.

  This ignores the destruction of the democratic process through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and voter intimidation, not to mention the very real possibility that voting systems were compromised. Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump, assuming voting tallies were accurate.

  I don’t expect anyone to be out saviors, in fact I expect things to go much like Nazi Germany, where the infection of fascism spreads across the globe and many of the people around me including myself and my kids will probably die. The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum. And before you suggest that I take on the federal government, look at what happened in Hong Kong. Outside support and intervention in coordination with resistance elements in the US is absolutely critical.

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  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Why not?

    Because it would justify any retaliation (including military) from Trump and his sycophants.

    Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump

    Right, over 50% of people who did vote voted for Trump, and unless your arguing that everyone that did not vote did it as a result of voter suppression or intimidation, the % of people that just chose not to vote adds to the % of the population that were fine with this.

    If the “popular vote” went to Kamala there would be an argument to be had, but it didn’t. By all available evidence this is what the USA voted for. Why is it the responsibility of other countries to intervene in what people voted for?

    assuming voting tallies were accurate.

    Provide some evidence that they weren’t and you’ll be far more likely to get support from other countries.

    The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum

    Correct, and I do not fault any government for not sending money to resistance groups in the US that they could be using to support their own population in the coming economic crash.

    This just sounds like more selfish Americentrism, “Why aren’t other countries doing more to help America? Yes, America did it to it’s self, and now if other countries don’t spend considerable resources helping us then they are just being selfish!”

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    • moncharleskey@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Well, you asked me what could be done to help. I never said you have to, I’m just tired of scrolling past article after article talking about protests and attempts to halt this administration, only to see comments that are as dense as the ones made by the people that voted for this asshole. None of this shit is going to get any better with that approach.

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      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        There is no article or comments in this thread about protests or attempts to halt this adminstration, not anyone trying to discourage such actions.

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  • Bronzebeard@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump, assuming voting tallies were accurate.

    False. He didn’t even win 50% of the people who did vote for president. He only won a plurality.

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• Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Less than a third voted for him, too. Millions are disenfranchised and millions more recognize that there is no correlation between desires and outcomes when it comes to voting.

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  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Less than a third voted for him, too. Millions are disenfranchised and millions more recognize that there is no correlation between desires and outcomes when it comes to voting.

    And these millions that couldn’t even bother to vote expect other countries to come save them?

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    • Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Perhaps it’s more that the extremist rhetoric of the opposition that denigrated them and elevated war criminals wasn’t the best way to motivate the masses of impoverished and disillusioned people to vote for them.

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