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Fundamentally you’re right. If you get absolutely everything 100% scientifically perfect for you, your circumstances, your genetics, etc you will always see better results than the person eyeballing it. But its like 200% more effort for an extra 25% gains, the minutiae of this shit goes as deep as you care to look and thats what drowns a lot of new enthusiasts.

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Carnelian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I personally take it a step further and question whether the extra 25% is worth it at all.

Even creatine has its downsides, in that it’s a powder you have to pay for and remember to choke down every day. And in the end, all you get is the same progress you would have gotten anyway, just a bit faster.

For me, who cares if what took you 5 years could have been done in 4 if everything was “optimal”? Why are we so obsessed with “optimizing” everything, when in reality this mindset just results in 90% of people giving up?

*I should add I have no critique of someone who wants for themselves every possible advantage, or educates others about it. But presenting these things as being synonymous with the gym is a huge public disservice. It would be like aggressively trying to funnel every single person who wants to buy a car into becoming an F1 driver

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- Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  unless you’re struggling to buy food i would say creatine is 100% worth it, it’s not that expensive really and you can just mix a teaspoon into your morning drink.
  
  And for that little effort and expense you get a free ~10% increase in strength so long as you keep consuming it, which lets you train more faster, resulting in permanent gains.
  
  like it’s not obligatory or anything, but it’s a great way to help yourself get into fitness, just makes it slightly easier. Really the big benefit of it can be said to simply be that it makes you more likely to keep going.
  
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  - Carnelian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    train more faster
    
    We can discuss the merits of specific supplements all day, but I find this mindset paradoxically results in worse progress for most people
    
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    Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Creatine is LITERALLY the only supplement that almost everyone and every study agrees
    
    Has a measurable physiological effect.
    
    Has next to zero side effects.
    
    Is incredibly cheap.
    
    Is universally beneficial for anyone training in almost every sport/activity.
    
    Anything else the answer to “Should I take…” is at best “It depends” and in most cases “No”
    
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