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Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

the “sad” reality of fitness is that it just boils down to “do exercise, eat 2 hours before an intense workout, creatine helps give a little strength boost”.

There’s no magical thing you can do to make things easier/faster other than just going harder or, you know, steroids (which has obvious downsides). And everything else that people tend to worry about, like the precise amount of protein to eat, is just… like yeah it has an effect but if you just do shitloads of workouts and eat when you’re hungry it’s basically impossible to not get stronger.

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Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Fundamentally you’re right. If you get absolutely everything 100% scientifically perfect for you, your circumstances, your genetics, etc you will always see better results than the person eyeballing it. But its like 200% more effort for an extra 25% gains, the minutiae of this shit goes as deep as you care to look and thats what drowns a lot of new enthusiasts.

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- Carnelian@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I personally take it a step further and question whether the extra 25% is worth it at all.
  
  Even creatine has its downsides, in that it’s a powder you have to pay for and remember to choke down every day. And in the end, all you get is the same progress you would have gotten anyway, just a bit faster.
  
  For me, who cares if what took you 5 years could have been done in 4 if everything was “optimal”? Why are we so obsessed with “optimizing” everything, when in reality this mindset just results in 90% of people giving up?
  
  *I should add I have no critique of someone who wants for themselves every possible advantage, or educates others about it. But presenting these things as being synonymous with the gym is a huge public disservice. It would be like aggressively trying to funnel every single person who wants to buy a car into becoming an F1 driver
  
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  - Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    unless you’re struggling to buy food i would say creatine is 100% worth it, it’s not that expensive really and you can just mix a teaspoon into your morning drink.
    
    And for that little effort and expense you get a free ~10% increase in strength so long as you keep consuming it, which lets you train more faster, resulting in permanent gains.
    
    like it’s not obligatory or anything, but it’s a great way to help yourself get into fitness, just makes it slightly easier. Really the big benefit of it can be said to simply be that it makes you more likely to keep going.
    
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    Carnelian@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    train more faster
    
    We can discuss the merits of specific supplements all day, but I find this mindset paradoxically results in worse progress for most people
    
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barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I’d argue the “eat before the workout” advise isn’t right: While you shouldn’t work out directly after eating as your body will direct energy towards digestion, working out on a fasting metabolism is beneficial as fasting comes with high levels of growth hormones. Evolutionary speaking: You’re not hunting when you have food, you’re hunting when you’re hungry. How can you have breakfast before you caught it.

You might not be able to hit peak performance at the tail end of even just an interval fast, but it is going to do all kinds of signalling to your body to put more energy into growing muscle.

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- Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  you’re absolutely hunting when you have food, why would you wait to hunt until you’re hungry? do you only buy more food when you’ve emptied out the fridge?
  
  also not everyone hunts, foraging has historically been arguably a more significant part of how people fed themselves, and even then not everyone is going to be doing that, some people are just going to be staying at camp to take care of the kids and stuff.
  
  what you’re suggesting is something that sounds good in your head, what i’m suggesting is pretty widely accepted practice.
  
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  - barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    When talking evolution it’s not just humans, and human behaviour. The fasting metabolism, hunger hormone system etc. is shared through pretty much all of the animal kingdom. We had it before we left the seas. Fish don’t stockpile food, they store it in adipose tissue with about exactly the same mechanism as we do, there might not be much food around, that means increased competition, that means you need to be active, not lethargic, when hungry, and the level of exertion experienced during that fasting time will be taken by the body as the signal how much to bulk up, that’s why growth hormones are highly active at that time.
    
    You can trust that I read up on the stuff or you can do it yourself or you can trust an army of gymbros to have done it.
    
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zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Funny thing is I can say I’m on steroids when I go to the gym (hormone medication). Though for some reason, the steroids I’m on are never the ones gym bros talk about.

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- captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  They just don’t understand how sick of chest gains you’re getting
  
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