Comment on No more Bosch for me..
CameronDev@programming.dev 6 days agoThe one way issue is very easily solved (isolated network), and on my model at least, all functionality is available. The app gives more, but everything I need is available on the buttons if I need it.
Even in my very high end Bosch ($1800 one), they removed buttons from their older version and put it into their revenue extraction cloud.
The exact same model from the previous year had a “half load button”. The new one requires you to register with their cloud service and use the app.
Removing buttons definitely sucks. In my case, its a built in dishwasher, so space is already limited for buttons, and all the ones I need are there. So the cloud is 100% value add. I’d hate it as well if the app was my only choice for a feature.
But as I already explained, that’s not true. They gave you the illusion of value add by removing features. Look at your exact model, built in, from 3 years ago. It has buttons for half load, delay and delicate. It’s easier to push a button than find your phone and start the app. If your Internet is temporarily down, you don’t have those features.
If the app was used for additional features, I’d agree. But they removed features to give the illusion of value add.
I think its a matter of perspective though. I have all the physical buttons I need, and even ones I dont need, so im happy. For you, yours doesn’t have all the functions you need, so obviously your not happy.
Both versions have delay, but I did lose half load and delicate. Gained some other programs though, but those aren’t useful. Funnily enough, neither version has a dedicated rinse.
Series 6 Integrated incase anyone else is interested:
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 days ago
This is pathetic.
I’m glad you enjoy your home connect. A dishwasher shouldn’t need an internet connection to function. Period. Full stop.
“Just put it on an isolated network” is ridiculous advice, when there shouldn’t even be a need.
Even if you assume there are no vulnerabilities to find, even if you assume their administrators are never evil, the only reason to require cloud service is to invade my privacy and collect data.
That’s it. They’re selling your data. Maybe you are fine with that. We are not.
CameronDev@programming.dev 6 days ago
No need for name calling.
My dishwasher is completely fine without the cloud. Period. Full stop.
There is no need to put it on the network, but if you want to, and are paranoid, you can connect it to an isolated network. If you dont want to, dont, and the dishwasher will work.
There are valid use cases for the networking, beyond data collection, if you dont like it, dont use it. I do like it, and I’d rather support companies that do provide first party homeassistant support.
Zorque@lemmy.world 6 days ago
No one called you any names. They said your advice is ridiculous, but that’s not name calling. That’s critiquing.
They’re not using your dishwasher for your needs, they’re using their dishwasher for their needs. They likely don’t overlap. Different models have different feature sets. One can say that they should have done more research into the home networking requirements for super basic features (as heavily explained in the article that we’re all commenting on, and you seem to have completely ignored), but frankly that’s beside the point. The baseline should not be well below par. The baseline should not be “download our potential spyware that also doesn’t necessarily work very well with your system just so you can use basic features”.
I’m glad you like smart features. I think people should have that kind of flexibility and choice in their home environment. The problem here is that when using this particular appliance, they don’t have that choice. That is a problem. Even if, when you use your appliance, you don’t have that issue, they do. Because they are not you, and do not have the exact same use case that you do.
CameronDev@programming.dev 6 days ago
I still think its unnecessarily rude to call someone’s opinion/experience “pathetic”.
The rest, I absolutely agree with. Its not a Bosch problem, its that specific model of dishwasher for that specific user problem. If I were in their situation, I would return the dishwasher.