Comment on Can we defederate from rdq2.net?

• SunriseParabellum@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The problem is who gets to decide what’s acceptable and what isn’t?

  Yeah! Who gets to decide if it’s acceptable for me to take a shit on the floor at Arby’s? Who died and made you God Arby’s manager?

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• WhyEssEff@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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• BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  if you say something horrible you get shunned

  very-intelligent People are rational actors and naturally know that bad ideas are bad.

  If that’s how it worked we wouldn’t have fascists everywhere right now.

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  • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    True there are a lot of stupid people out there but if I were to say something horrifically racist in pretty much any company I can be fairly confident I would be told exactly where to shove it though

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    • DayOfDoom@hexbear.net [bot] ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s so cool how you solved racism in your head just now.

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      • BurgerPunk@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        che-smile

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    • BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s definitely not universal. I personally have heard people say racist, transphobic, etc. stuff without anyone shunning them because they were co-workers, relatives and other groups you can’t shun without things getting awkward. Besides, aren’t you in fact advocating for not having Nazi and pedo shit around, since the obvious analogy for being shunned IRL would be getting banned IRL for being a Nazi or pedo?

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      • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I am infact quite happy to have as few Nazis and pedos in my corner of the internet as possible, just think it’s inevitable they’re going to be somewhere with the nature of self hosted platforms like lemmy

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    • ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes racism just corrects itself. That’s why there’s famously no racism happening anywhere

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      • Scew@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        whoa

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      • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Racism has dramatically reduced in recent years, used to be people would make racist comments in casual conversation and nobody would care

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    • GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If this was true, racism would be eradicated. It must further be stated that, though many racists are very ignorant, ascribing racism fundamentally to “stupidity” is just as worthless as ascribing it to “evil”. It is a moralizing account that cannot be usefully applied as systemic critique because it is all supposedly a matter of personal virtue.

      People are racist as a strategy to prosper, first and foremost. It is not until you understand racism as a social strategy that you can fight it.

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      • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I can’t say I do understand it as a social strategy, I would hazard a guess it’s something like “if we make this group enemy #1, we can get lots of people rallied behind us and they won’t pay attention to the horrible things we do”?

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    • Cummunism@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      ah yes, the free market will fix it. the “marketplace of ideas.”

      gtfo

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    • HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      and if you kept doing it, would you be asked to leave? would your “free speech” be “violated” by exclusion from decent society?

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    • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nah dude I just said that people should be prevented from spreading Nazi or Pedo shit and you come in here with your contrarian bullshit.

      Free speech does not, and frankly should not exist.

      You said something horrible in your implicit defense of Nazi and Pedo shit being allowed to be spread. Now you are getting shunned for it. How’s that working out for you?

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    • CyborgMarx@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      if I were to say something horrifically racist in pretty much any company I can be fairly confident I would be told exactly where to shove it though

      What Saturday morning cartoon do you live in bro?

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• corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Shut up, nerd

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  • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Now let’s see how they react to saying something horrible and getting shunned for it lol.

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    • corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh wait now they’re gonna complain about Hexbear bullies. Calling it now.

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    • corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Flippin the tables on 'em. You love to see it.

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• CyborgMarx@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The problem is who gets to decide what’s acceptable and what isn’t?

  I don’t care who gets to decide as long as Nazism and pedophilia isn’t tolerated

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• GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The problem is who gets to decide what’s acceptable and what isn’t

  Put it to a vote, simple as. This “who watches the watcher?” bit neoliberals do is nothing but concern-trolling because they have been taught the purpose of the government is to protect property rights, wage war, and nothing more.

  In all avenues of life and interaction, we should pursue the use of power by collective assent to improve our conditions, including by stamping out fascists and abusers with a mind not to “justice” but to protecting the people they would victimize.

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  • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Put it to a vote, simple as

    Nah voting is overrated I will be the supreme chancellor and gatekeeper of what is allowed to be said online.

    This is a joke of course but that would be better than whatever this weirdo is advocating.

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• Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s fine IRL because if you say something horrible you get shunned

  lmfao no you don’t I hear people say horrible shit all the time and nobody speaks up because muh civility, or because the people they are saying it to are at their job and calling it out would be “political.”

  You have a child’s understanding of the world.

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• Helmic@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The entire model of federation is shunning. We are shunning them by defederating. We don’t have to interact with them. You don’t have to interact with them. You don’t have to interact with us, and in fact you could decide to go join the pedos and nazis and nazi pedos on their instances. You won’t, but on a technical level there is no central content moderator for all of the fediverse, only instances practicing free association and maybe cooperating to make that process easier.

  But since you lack the authority to make us interact with those groups, you’re left having to choose who you’ll keep company with, and that’ll have consequences as people don’t like nazi or pedo apologists.

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• ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You get to decide. Is this instance not democratic when it comes to federation instance decisions? Hexbear admins give us a vote on a per-instance basis.

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  • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Which is why Lemmy is a good system but I think that system is rather fragile because instances like lemmy.world could get the majority of the users, be absolute saints for a while so everyone gets comfortable and then influence the rest of the instances with threats of defederating

    I guess considering there’s no monetary gain from having more users that doesn’t really work as well but still

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• ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s me, I decide, and I decided nazism was bad a long time ago. You really need to get with the program dude.

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• PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We do, through threads like this.

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