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What unions are able to negotiate is a function of how large, powerful, and organized they are. Rejecting what the company offers can mean going on strike, and if they aren’t powerful enough for that to be a credible threat (because people left the union for higher pay rates), then that means they have very little power to negotiate or say no to what’s offered.

Literally not you or a single other person in all the comments responded to me has said a single word that actually explains why it wouldn’t work this way. You just started randomly attacking me for no reason. Maybe it’s because you can’t provide an actual answer?

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ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
And you won’t, or can’t, respond to my point. It doesn’t matter that it’s a nonsequitur, you’re still obligated to respond to it premptively, you fool.

Yes, if everyone leaves the union it doesn’t have power. Fucking duh. It doesn’t work that way because it’s illegal to pay people to not be in the union, since it infringes on people’s rights to collective bargaining. Which I politely said in my first reply to you when I just thought you were ignorant, rather than obstinate and rude as well.

You just started randomly attacking me for no reason

Crystal more. You’re the one who kicked off being angry when you found out I thought you were just genuinely ignorant, as opposed to properly stupid.

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- Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  Yes, if everyone leaves the union it doesn’t have power. Fucking duh. It doesn’t work that way because it’s illegal to pay people to not be in the union, since it infringes on people’s rights to collective bargaining.
  
  That… is literally the thing being discussed here.
  
  Which I politely said in my first reply to you when I just thought you were ignorant, rather than obstinate and rude as well.
  
  No, you didn’t. I’m quite sure this is the first time I’ve seen anyone make the claim that what Cathy is saying in OP is untrue and would be illegal.
  
  Cry more. You’re the one who kicked off being angry when you found out I thought you were just genuinely ignorant, as opposed to properly stupid.
  
  You’re Madison420’s alt, right? If not, I don’t see why you’re both so randomly hostile or why you both go off about me “crying.” All I’m doing is discussing facts and pointing out when people say things that are wrong. Occasionally, when someone comes at me with random, unprovoked, hostility, I point out that that’s what they’re doing and may give it back to them. If you can’t take shit don’t start shit.
  
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  - ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    There’s a limit to how much they can pay the ununionized workers before it becomes clear they’re trying to interfere with the workers rights to free organization. In the image, it’s quite likely that the extra 50¢ is union dues, or could be explained as related to costs.
    
    Literally the first reply I sent you.
    
    If you don’t know the basics of labor law and how companies are ostensibly prohibited from preventing organization, you really don’t have a lot of room to get upset when people think you don’t know stuff.
    
    That… is literally the thing being discussed here.
    
    No, it’s a nonsequitur you brought up out of nowhere. You asked why the company doesn’t just pay the union less, and when people told you replied assuming that everyone knew that all the workers left the union.
    
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    Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    when people told you replied assuming that everyone knew that all the workers left the union.
    
    Because that’s literally the entire point! They want to pay people more if they leave the union so they can later cut wages without resistance, it’s an extremely simple and basic concept. I have no idea why you’re treating this as some bizarre, added assumption, like literally what are we even talking about if not that?
    
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