Conservatives attempted to overthrow my country on 1/6/21. Why do they deserve respect after that? A reasonable, moral person would see that and choose to stop being conservative.
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DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 8 months agoI really don’t understand the reason of such a bitter and disrespect response to a politely posed question. Shouldn’t leftists be more tolerant than their right wing counterpart? Or maybe people are starting to be so ill-tempered just because they are systematically losing all elections in Europe and US?
morphballganon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
You mean that a few drunk people with guns are representative of a half of the country?
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 8 months ago
No, we mean your worthless-ass party. It was fun to watch a bunch of then surrender in Atlanta again though.
They are absolutely represtative of your party. They were led by your leader, your party wants them pardoned. You probably also believe some combination of them being both patriots AND a false flag.
You’re all idiots, and they represent you well.
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
What “my” party? I don’t live in the USA.
phillaholic@lemm.ee 8 months ago
You don’t have to tolerate intolerance.
ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social 8 months ago
No, you don't, but at that point you are no longer truly "tolerant."
phillaholic@lemm.ee 8 months ago
magnetosphere@kbin.social 8 months ago
It annoys me, and it’s not a good look, but to a point, I can understand what’s behind it.
In the past, conservatives had a greater respect for education and fair debate. There was more tolerance for moderate views. In recent years, things have gotten increasingly emotional and extreme. I can attribute some of the disrespect to frustration with that change.
You’re right, though - this IS a politely posed question. None of what I was talking about above applies here. It’s inappropriate to attack OP for their beliefs when they’re going out of their way to be diplomatic.
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Being polite is pretty meaningless when you advocate against victims of harassment and sexual assault, wouldnt you agree? So why are we giving him credit in politely looking for allies when his political ideology is based in bigotry?
Also, read his old comments. He “politely” condescends and dismisses anyone who disagrees with his stances. He “politely” tells them to not be emotional and just accept his view of things. Fuck him.
I don’t care if “it’s a good look”, I’m not trying to sugar coat truths for misogynists. What that party believed in the past is irrelevant, what they say and do now matters. It’s not a frustration with their change, its an unwillingness to respect them while they openly court fascism. Which, i think, is pretty damn reasonable.
You want to shame me for being rude to the right? I hope you’re used to be ignored. I’m not going to be a part of sowing division on the left, even when a conservative asks me to “politely”.
magnetosphere@kbin.social 8 months ago
No, I’m not going to shame you. You’re right. It’s just that I set the bar VERY low when it comes to conservatives and their discussion skills.
I want to encourage civilized discourse, even if the views being expressed are highly problematic. Discussion without an explosive tantrum is only a little bit of progress, bit it is progress. Baby steps.
Oh, and no, I hadn’t looked at their post history. Now I have. Yikes.
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I have no intention of dignifying highly problematic views with civilized discourse.
I haven’t even been mean to him yet, all I called him was insufferable, which he is.
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I read his comments and judged him based on how he choose to present himself. I think thats a pretty fair way to make assumptions about a person, based on their words. I responded accordingly and advised him that if he didn’t feel he fit in that category he may want to reconsider how he identify his beliefs.
Also, learn about the tolerance paradox and you’ll understand why the left are currently so strongly against the right. Also, the left is making great gains in the US, the right is the side losing seats.
DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 8 months ago
The tolerance paradox applies to a purely theoretical situation, not to modern society where people have constitutional rights. All radicalisms are equally flawed and, personally, I prefer to deal with the “originals” rather than with spoiled youngsters who are pathetically trying to emulate the “tough” adults.
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s a lot of words to say you want fascists in society.
DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 8 months ago
No,I don’t want them. But they are there, though…
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
I don’t necessarily want fascists to be in society, but they should have a right to be there as long as they’re not actively hurting others.
ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social 8 months ago
The issue with the tolerance paradox is it gives way to thuggery once those with the most power decide what their idea of "tolerance" will and will not actually tolerate. That's why we have a Bill of Rights. Call it intolerant, but name something that actually tolerates more (not just "progressive" or anarchist vlaues).
magnetosphere@kbin.social 8 months ago
I look for excuses to share this. I think you’ll like it.
BuckyVanBuren@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That isn’t actually Popper. That is Marcuse.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse
That crappy cartoon gets shared a lot but it does not actually represent Popper’s views.
It is, however, A very accurate description of Marcuse’s views. It even looks like him!
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Broken link man, no idea what you’re trying to share
magnetosphere@kbin.social 8 months ago
Nuts. I’m sorry. It works for me, though, so I don’t know what to do. Maybe it pasted wrong. Try this: https://i.imgur.com/j2LnmH3.png
ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social 8 months ago
If the left wantsbto be intolerant of a given group, that's a fine, debatable position to have. It's intellectually dishonest to refer to such a position as "tolerant," though.
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
I thought the US Democratic party was “far right”?
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t know if you’re trying to make a joke about something, but Republicans are far right, democrats are left of center.
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
I’m referencing the mantra that gets repeated a lot by Lemmy leftists that both parties in the USA are far right and Republicans are just slightly more far right.
ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social 8 months ago
Ze only sing ve do not tolerate is intolerance!
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Shocking that a multiple time Trump voter’s highest level of discourse is a South Park clip. I’d feel bad for your parents, but they’re probably just as dumb
SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Notice how he’s only posting clips from made up media as his “arguments”, not anything remotely factual.
ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social 8 months ago
When you can't argue the point, attack the man.