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• Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I read his comments and judged him based on how he choose to present himself. I think thats a pretty fair way to make assumptions about a person, based on their words. I responded accordingly and advised him that if he didn’t feel he fit in that category he may want to reconsider how he identify his beliefs.

  Also, learn about the tolerance paradox and you’ll understand why the left are currently so strongly against the right. Also, the left is making great gains in the US, the right is the side losing seats.

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  • DieguiTux8623@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The tolerance paradox applies to a purely theoretical situation, not to modern society where people have constitutional rights. All radicalisms are equally flawed and, personally, I prefer to deal with the “originals” rather than with spoiled youngsters who are pathetically trying to emulate the “tough” adults.

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    • Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s a lot of words to say you want fascists in society.

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      • DieguiTux8623@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        No,I don’t want them. But they are there, though…

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      • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I don’t necessarily want fascists to be in society, but they should have a right to be there as long as they’re not actively hurting others.

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    • ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The issue with the tolerance paradox is it gives way to thuggery once those with the most power decide what their idea of "tolerance" will and will not actually tolerate. That's why we have a Bill of Rights. Call it intolerant, but name something that actually tolerates more (not just "progressive" or anarchist vlaues).

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  • magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I look for excuses to share this. I think you’ll like it.

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    • BuckyVanBuren@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That isn’t actually Popper. That is Marcuse.

      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse

      That crappy cartoon gets shared a lot but it does not actually represent Popper’s views.

      It is, however, A very accurate description of Marcuse’s views. It even looks like him!

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    • Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Broken link man, no idea what you’re trying to share

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      • magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Nuts. I’m sorry. It works for me, though, so I don’t know what to do. Maybe it pasted wrong. Try this: https://i.imgur.com/j2LnmH3.png

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  • ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If the left wantsbto be intolerant of a given group, that's a fine, debatable position to have. It's intellectually dishonest to refer to such a position as "tolerant," though.

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  • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    the left is making great gains in the US, the right is the side losing seats.

    I thought the US Democratic party was “far right”?

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    • Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t know if you’re trying to make a joke about something, but Republicans are far right, democrats are left of center.

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      • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m referencing the mantra that gets repeated a lot by Lemmy leftists that both parties in the USA are far right and Republicans are just slightly more far right.

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  • ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ze only sing ve do not tolerate is intolerance!

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    • Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Shocking that a multiple time Trump voter’s highest level of discourse is a South Park clip. I’d feel bad for your parents, but they’re probably just as dumb

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      • SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Notice how he’s only posting clips from made up media as his “arguments”, not anything remotely factual.

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      • ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        When you can't argue the point, attack the man.

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• morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Conservatives attempted to overthrow my country on 1/6/21. Why do they deserve respect after that? A reasonable, moral person would see that and choose to stop being conservative.

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  • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You mean that a few drunk people with guns are representative of a half of the country?

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    • Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No, we mean your worthless-ass party. It was fun to watch a bunch of then surrender in Atlanta again though.

      They are absolutely represtative of your party. They were led by your leader, your party wants them pardoned. You probably also believe some combination of them being both patriots AND a false flag.

      You’re all idiots, and they represent you well.

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      • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What “my” party? I don’t live in the USA.

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• phillaholic@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You don’t have to tolerate intolerance.

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  • ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No, you don't, but at that point you are no longer truly "tolerant."

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    • phillaholic@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:t….

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• magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It annoys me, and it’s not a good look, but to a point, I can understand what’s behind it.

  In the past, conservatives had a greater respect for education and fair debate. There was more tolerance for moderate views. In recent years, things have gotten increasingly emotional and extreme. I can attribute some of the disrespect to frustration with that change.

  You’re right, though - this IS a politely posed question. None of what I was talking about above applies here. It’s inappropriate to attack OP for their beliefs when they’re going out of their way to be diplomatic.

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  • Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Being polite is pretty meaningless when you advocate against victims of harassment and sexual assault, wouldnt you agree? So why are we giving him credit in politely looking for allies when his political ideology is based in bigotry?

    Also, read his old comments. He “politely” condescends and dismisses anyone who disagrees with his stances. He “politely” tells them to not be emotional and just accept his view of things. Fuck him.

    I don’t care if “it’s a good look”, I’m not trying to sugar coat truths for misogynists. What that party believed in the past is irrelevant, what they say and do now matters. It’s not a frustration with their change, its an unwillingness to respect them while they openly court fascism. Which, i think, is pretty damn reasonable.

    You want to shame me for being rude to the right? I hope you’re used to be ignored. I’m not going to be a part of sowing division on the left, even when a conservative asks me to “politely”.

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    • magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No, I’m not going to shame you. You’re right. It’s just that I set the bar VERY low when it comes to conservatives and their discussion skills.

      I want to encourage civilized discourse, even if the views being expressed are highly problematic. Discussion without an explosive tantrum is only a little bit of progress, bit it is progress. Baby steps.

      Oh, and no, I hadn’t looked at their post history. Now I have. Yikes.

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      • Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I have no intention of dignifying highly problematic views with civilized discourse.

        I haven’t even been mean to him yet, all I called him was insufferable, which he is.

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