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But Idiocracy’s point still stands, the most poorly educated in that scenario will be the ones to reproduce the most.

I don’t think that there’s a compelling argument against population control as the future looms, how it is implemented is what I think is up for debate.

I strongly believe in personal freedom, but in an overpopulated world, I’m not certain that freedom should extend to reproduction.

Here’s where I get a little eugenic-y, and it feels icky, downvote if you must, but I’d prefer an intelligent reply. Why should a species, faced with the problem of overpopulation and gifted the power of sentience, not elevate it’s best and suppresses it’s worst? Maybe because I don’t feel a personal drive to have kids, my partner isn’t interested either, but it feels very selfish to think you personally have the right to add one more unregulated specimen to the petri dish.

Is it a huge turn away from what has made us human since forever? Yea, but wasn’t the Internet? Internal combustion engines? I don’t feel strongly enough about this to not be swayed in my ideas, but I just see it as a logical extension of a problem we face. What would Vulcans do?

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starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Why should a species, faced with the problem of overpopulation and gifted the power of sentience, not elevate it’s best and suppresses it’s worst?

For fucks sake dude, literally every time this sentiment comes up someone points it out: who decides who is the best and who is the worst? Your idea of who is worthy of reproducing and who isn’t is just as subjective as any nazi’s.

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- JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  That’s a point that we AGREE upon. I feel like me saying it feels icky and acknowledging the awful history of eugenics was just ignored. This isn’t a global famine sized problem yet, but when it is, and this conversation is forced upon us, then what? If you agree that overpopulation is a looming problem, what solution do you propose?
  
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  - starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    You acknowledged the awful history, and then proceeded to ask why we shouldn’t do it again.
    
    I personally don’t agree that overpopulation is a problem we need to try and solve. If overpopulation kills people, let it. We won’t go extinct. It’s not our place to try and solve a self-correcting problem by deciding whose human rights we should violate.
    
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nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
people who have access to equitable righta and education (ie girls go to school, everyone has access to the economy and healthcare including sexual health) tend to self-regulate the population towards sustainable levels.

Stupidity is created through systemic sexism, dumbification, and reinforcement of poverty.

Baby booms happen when people don’t know how the world, including their bodies, work, and when uterus-havers are isolated and have control over their own life paths and bodies removed.

the usa before women had equitable banking, voting, education, healthcare, and employment access is a fine example – there are plenty around the world.

tl;dr overpopulation is an effect of discriminatory and oppressive environments and not a herreditary issue.

we are born to a bellcurve of smartness; just a lot of people get it starved and beaten out of them and are put on the prison pipeline before they can figure out what’s going on.

we’ve known this a long time but it’s hard to ‘sell’ to privledged people who didn’t have to think about it and don’t want to talk about reperations for redlining, boarding schools, etc… (good morning and welcome to the Blood Machine)

can anyone write a monster truck ad version of my comment that is readable at a 3rd grade level, pls?

also, it’s the power grip and reciprocity. that’s what makes us human.

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- JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  It was good information until you decided to be a dick at the end. I was going to thank you for a decent response but actually fuck you for deciding that I need a 3rd grade monster truck ad to understand it. That sort of elitism is a big part of the reason the stupid half of the country fucking hates the educated half.
  
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  - nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The monstertruck comercial is for people in my life that I love. Also my own enjoyment.
    
    I don’t think people who crave high stimulation messaging, or enjoy pantomime or slapstick should be left to the mercy of profiteer programming. Just because I enjoy technical reading and essay style lectures doesn’t mean that works for everyone. I wouldn’t like to leave any neighbors behind.
    
    Not sure what works for you, internet stranger, but maybe it isn’t socratic dialogue.
    
    So. Yah, everything from my prior post is earnest and inclusive. Folx can fimd a better place any projected sarcasm or derision.
    
    on tumblr they say some of the reading comprehension is piss poor. (#iheardupissonthepoor)
    
    No one needs to thank me or like me, as long as I can have my equitable living rights, yah? so no sweat: keep the emotional labour.
    
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