Comment on dear republicans, what's the point of alienating every single ally of the US?

• AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Not even. A lot of the “aid” is

  • military takes old stuff out of stock and drops it off in Ukraine
  • us gov’t buys new stuff from US companies
  • military gets fresh stock

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  • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    • strong profitable defense contractors

    Why the hell is this supposed to be a point in favor? I don’t support the military-industrial complex, because I’m not a right-winger or a hawk.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Profitable is a point in favor, if you’re one of them. Strong supply chain is a point in favor, if you’re a hawk or if you think we do need defense

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Profitable for the rich. Defense for the rich.

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• MortUS@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s a bit more complicated than that. We’re not just sending missiles, some of it is logistical, funding, training - some of it doesn’t just come back into our economy, and not in full. For example, there is a fund in the billions for Ukraine and allies to buy weapons from us on a need by basis - but like not immediately. It has been years, it could be years.

  More importantly though a good portion of these funds were out of bounds of the National Budget causing National Debt to grow. Now, I’m not saying Ukraine is the sole reason the National Debt is out of control, it’s been a long time coming, but we’re peaking. We print more money, the value of the dollar drops, things get more expensive not just national but worldwide since the dollar is an international currency reserve.

  So, while I understand your angst it is a bit more nuanced.

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  • zenitsu@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    How concerned are trumpoloides about how much return they get from aid to Israel? No minerals? they haven’t been programmed for that I guess.

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    • MortUS@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I don’t even understand the point you’re trying to make with this one. I guess if you’re referring to me as a trumpoloid you could dumb this response down a bit so I can maybe process it and reply. On a side note, I don’t understand why we (as a Nation) support Israels genocide, but I personally don’t support it so there’s that I guess.

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      • zenitsu@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Anyone who genuinely cares about the national debt wouldn’t want Trump in power. The piss-dribble of aid the US has sent to Ukraine is definitely not a factor, and if you still think it is, go ahead and let us know what percentage of the budget has gone to Ukraine. The reason people only care to question what they get in return for Ukrainian aid yet don’t ask the same of Israel is because that’s what right-wing media programmed them to do. Is that clearer?

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This faux concern about the debt is so fucking disingenuous, and I wish people would stop claiming it because you’re embarrassing yourselves.

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    • MortUS@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The National Debt has been on a steady growth since Obama, through Trump, through Biden. Like, it’s an issue that spans multiple presidencies and parties. The U.S. dollars is a global reserve note. So, not only do we need to account for paying it down in our National Budget, but we also can’t just print more money at the problem either. I fully support Ukraine. Russia should not have invaded them, and either we or the EU should have had a stronger opposition than just throwing money at the problem. If we want to continue to support Ukraine, if we want to pay down our National Debt, if we want to continue supporting our Nations social services we need to fucking tax Billionaires and their Trillion dollar companies. Like, corporations buying politicians is a problem.

      That National Debt isn’t some invisible barrier, it affects our every day lives, our future, what programs we can support, and the global economy. I don’t know, unless you can explain to me me why the National Debt doesn’t matter, and how we can continue to support Ukraine. I’m here for a discussion.

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      • Snowclone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        It has always and will always grow. Even though we had surplus under. GOP are also the party that when they hold a majority spend like fucking mad, Bush paying for Iraq, Trump’s crippling tax cuts that explicitly shifted tax burden onto the poor and middleclass. They do not care, they only pretend to care and use that as an excuse for more spending, or tax cuts for the owner class. They never fucking care when they have the ball.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The money is still in the US but in private hands rather than public. Just because the money primarily stays in the domestic economy doesn’t mean there’s no cost to it.

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  • Snowclone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If you want more money in public hands, holy shit is supporting a republican at any point from Regan to Trump the dumbest shit you could vote for. This is the party of ‘‘goverment doesn’t work’’ and privatization of all public services. They have never been shy about just how little tax revenue they want to end up in gov service to citizens.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m aware. I’ve never voted Republican in my life and don’t intend to.

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  • zenitsu@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You realise private workers are also civilians with lives aka members of the public. Wtf do you mean “in private hands rather than the public”?

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      “Public funds” refers to money held by the government, tax revenue. The amount of public funds is limited and there are a lot of valid, competing priorities for how the government spends it’s money. Every dollar of public funds spent on bombs is a dollar that’s not available for things like schools and infrastructure.

      Private workers receive only some of the funds spent on manufacturing bombs. A significant portion of it goes to executives and shareholders in the military-industrial complex, as well as finding their way to politicians in the form of bribes. Private funds cannot be allocated to public services unless the individual chooses to donate them, or they are taxed back into being public.

      I really shouldn’t have to explain this, the difference between public and private is extremely basic.

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      • zenitsu@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        What I’m not sure about is what tou have an issue with. The money invested into arms replenishment is a boost to US jobs/the economy. Why the complaint that it’s left the treasury?

        Not to mention, the investment has been miniscule given the situation, how much is “too much” for peace in Europe/World? There can be no prosp without security.

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      • Litebit@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Executives and shareholders are americans too.

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  • Litebit@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    In american workers hands too.

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