Comment on can European intelligence substitute the American one?

Zoldyck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Also, when it comes to Russia, Ukrainian intelligence is top notch due to historical ties.

  But TBH, I do think Europe needs to find a way to make peace with Russia and with the Middle-East, specifically Turkey, Egypt and Iran.

  They are our direct neighbours. The cold war idea that we could have a powerful friend across an ocean, while having strained relationships with our direct neighbours just isn’t going to be a good strategy going forward.

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  • Zoldyck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Peace with Russia is difficult as long as Russia isn’t interested in peace, which they clearly aren’t

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    • credo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Russia is interested in peace as long as it gets to dictate the terms, and install its own people in the new Russian territory.

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  • 211@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Not disagreeing, we should strive for good or at least civil relationships with our neighbors, even if we don’t exactly like each other, but the problem is that

    • any agreement or peace deal with Russia isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, they’ll just ignore it when they want to
    • make peace with one country in Middle-East, you’ll anger another

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  • tvbusy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Good relationships go both ways. It’s pointless to be friendly to an abusive partner. It’s not just Russia but the US as well now.

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  • boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Peace with ME is easier than peace with Russia. ME countries mostly don’t have territorial ambitions in Europe, but Russia does.

    Having just Turkey and Iran on our side would likely be enough to keep Russia’s army out of our borders, if it came in the format of a strong military alliance. Technically Turkey is already an ally of most European countries through NATO. Iran also has pretty good intelligence AFAIK?

    However, an alliance with Iran can only come at the expense of dropping Israel as an ally. Morally speaking I’m down with that. Luckily they’re not a NATO member either. But realistically that also means one of the top intelligence powers in the world would have a massive grudge against Europe. And those fucks will kill your family just for believing in the wrong god, imagine what they’d do in retaliation for being backstabbed diplomatically. I can almost see why world leaders choose to ignore the genocide… Not that I agree with it.

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    • alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I agree, except that I wouldn’t classify Israel as a top intelligence power.

      Their dependence on the USA is immense.

      For European purposes, Egypt (Suez) and Turkey (both Bosporus and the land link to Asia) are the most important regional allies. Both or very populous and could become a new source of cheaper labour, now that Eastern EU countries are becoming more expensive.

      Iran, Iraq and the Gulf countries are important as long as we can’t have Russian and/or American fossil fuels. But even then, Turkey and Egypt are the broker between us and them.

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