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realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

Neighbors?

But in all seriousness, the alternatives are pretty unpalitable:

a) Fund Ukraines war (which they will never win) until all the Ukranians die, just to put a dent into the military infrastructure of Russia

b) Start a war with Russia to force them to lose the war with Ukraine

And I am not all to concerned about how Zelensky feels about whatever happens to us.

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HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
The war is very winnable. The idea that Russia is invincible or too big to fail is a fallacy.

Russia’s economy is collapsing under the weight of sanctions and will not be able to sustain its ability to wage war.

When Russia is on its knee after its complete economic collapse and is unable to sustain the war, that is when peacekeeping troops will be sent.

Europe is preparing to send an absolutely enormous amount of aid to Ukraine that will be able to sustain Ukraine through the entirety of Trump’s term.

knows that if Ukraine falls then Europe is next on Putin’s chopping block

You should show a modicum of respect to the people of Ukraine and Volodymyr Zelenskyy

They have earned it

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- realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  IDK, the argument that “believe me dude, Russia’s about to lose to Ukraine” doesn’t sound believable to me after the years and years I’ve heard it.
  
  You should show a modicum of respect to the people of Ukraine and Volodymyr Zelenskyy
  
  I show them several modicums a year. That doesn’t mean I have to want to fund their war or prolong it though.
  
  Are you American?
  
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  - HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    You don’t have to believe me, there any number of reliable objective sources available that will confirm it.
    
    Russia had an enormous stockpile leftover from the Soviet Union and has nearly burned through all of it. Yes, it’s taken a few years.
    
    How do you want this to go?
    
    Usually I provide bad faith arguers such as yourself with the links to those credible objective sources and they refuse for some whatever made up reason
    
    Because of course they do
    
    I mean, we’re 3 years into the full scale invasion of Ukraine and you seem to be ignorant of a major conflict and genocide on a basic level
    
    Why should that change now?
    
    What I am saying is correct whether you believe me or not, you can FO and stay ignorant for all I care. I am just providing the opportunity not to be
    
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    realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    How do you want this to go?
    
    In my dream world I’d like to see Ukraine absolutely destroy Russia and take it over. I don’t think that’s gonna happen though.
    
    I mean, we’re 3 years into the full scale invasion of Ukraine and you seem to be ignorant of a major conflict and genocide on a basic level
    
    I tried following it at first but I kept seeing tons of conflicting information and it ended up being too much. One day Ukraine has almost won the war, the next day Russia. At the end I was like “why am I even following this war halfway across the world that’s only marginally related to America” lol
    
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Dashi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I mean yeah, but if Russia is able to start invading neighbors because they want to, the eastern tip of Russia is a lot closer to the western tip of Alaska that would make a great staging point into north America. At least according to my 14 year old risk strategy anyway. (I got news for Australia though)

All joking aside you have put forth 3 options

Don’t care about the war and let Russia do it’s thing

Fund the war with money/ arms

Go to war with Russia.

To me it sounds like your taking option 1. Which you have the right to vote/ think is the best way. To me I’m going with option 2 until option 3 is needed. Because if you let a bully get their way they are just going to keep doing it until someone stops them. And I have the right to think that as well.

In this day in age everything is a lot closer than it appears on a map. Cyber incidents are happening all over the world. Russia doesn’t need to put troops on the ground in America to attack us, it just needs to meddle in our elections, hack our infrastructure or do any other cyber activities to harm us.
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- realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  You make good points here. Is there any particular reason you think option 2 is better than option 3? The way I see it, with option 3 the war is over more quickly, Russia is (most likely) defeated and we can finally move on to other orders of business.
  
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  - Dashi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I like option 2 better than option 3 because I don’t think America should go back to “their is an international issue send troops” mentality. We are known for being to trigger happy with that. While I love the idea of sending troops and putting putin in his place where does that end? Where do we draw the line on when sending troops is acceptable or not? I couldn’t say what is right or wrong for sure or if my thoughts are even the right ones to have.
    
    I do know their is a time and a place to send troops I just don’t know when that may be in this instance. They are not an “ally” but someone is doing something bad to them. So send equipment/funds is my middle ground.
    
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    realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Very fair take! Respect.
    
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zante@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
The problem you might not have spotted, is that long standing US foreign policy has been to fund anyone fighting your enemy, until they can’t fight anymore.

Zelenskyy knew he had full US support, before the war started, other wise he would have pushed for peace - in accordance with his own campaign promises during the last election.

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- realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Yeah, and that’s too bad. We need to stop funding all these wars.
  
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takeda@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
The reason US became so strong and rich was because of developing trade and for trade it needs peace.

Without it the US will become irrelevant and eventually weak enough that other super powers that develop because of this move will take over.

The war was winnable and Ukraine had upper had until this change, it was projected that Russia would run off resources this year.

In fact of we didn’t restrict Ukraine in 2022 and give them full help out could end that year, as Russia was acting very incompetent initially and didn’t have time to set up their defenses.

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- realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  The war was winnable and Ukraine had upper had until this change, it was projected that Russia would run off resources this year.
  
  What projection is this? I hear from both sides that the other side is on the verge of losing for years now.
  
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  - takeda@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I am not talking about some random comments here. It was well known that 2024 was the peak of what Russia could get with their war economy and it is showing that it indeed was true, they significantly slowed down and just now trump gave them a help line.
    
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