Comment on Bill proposed to outlaw downloading Chinese AI models.

• thingsiplay@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  None of the code and training data is available. Its just the usual Huggingface thing, where some weights and parameters are available, nothing else. People repeat DeepSeek (and many other) Ai LLM models being open source, but they aren’t.

  They even have a Github source code repository at github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1 , but its only an image and PDF file and links to download the model on Huggingface (plus optional weights and parameter files, to fine tune it). There is no source code, and no training data available. Also here is an interesting article talking about this issue: Liesenfeld, Andreas, and Mark Dingemanse. “Rethinking open source generative AI: open washing and the EU AI Act.” The 2024 ACM Conference on Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency. 2024

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  • p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This literally took one click: github.com/deepseek-ai

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    • jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Where’s the training data?

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      • Crotaro@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Does open sourcing require you to give out the training data? I thought it only means allowing access to the source code so that you could build it yourself and feed it your own training data.

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      • p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Nobody releases training data. It’s too large and varied. The best I’ve seen was the LAION-2B set that Stable Diffusion used, and that’s still just a big collection of links. Even that isn’t going to fit on a GitHub repo.

        Besides, improving the model means using the model as a base and implementing new training data. Specialize, specialize, specialize.

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    • thingsiplay@beehaw.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Can you actually explain what in my reply is “Fear, uncertainty, and doubt”? Did you actually read it? I even linked to the specific github repository, which is basically empty. You just link to an overview, which does not point to any source code.

      Please explain whats FUD and link to the source code, otherwise do not call people FUD if you don’t know what you are talking about.

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      • p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You’re purposely being obtuse, and not arguing in good faith. The source code is right there, in the other repos owned by the deepseek-ai user.

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  • Gamers_mate@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Damn that sucks it should be open source. Let people fork and optimize it so it uses less electricity as possible.

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