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• earphone843@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  A lot of those businesses still need to exist for society to function. They could be restructured into non-profits, but they’ll still exist.

  There will always be a need for jobs that people aren’t going to just do for the hell of it. No one enjoys breaking their back harvesting crops or digging ditches.

  I’m not saying the current system is any good, but the idea of no one having to work if they don’t want to is not obtainable without some serious advances in robotics.

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  • rockerface@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If harvesting crops would pay six figures, I’m sure there’d be enough willing people

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    • earphone843@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Where’s that money going to come from?

      The point of UBI isn’t to allow anyone to not work if they don’t want to. It’s so that everyone can live securely while still contributing to keeping society running, and allow those who can’t work to live without worry about survival.

      You can’t have UBI without workers. It’s still working to survive, just with a massive safety net.

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      • rockerface@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        From net worth of all millionaires and billionaires, where it’s not currently being used for anything worthwhile.

        UBI is only the first step towards actual redistribution of wealth

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  • thisfro@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I specifically mean those companies that do not directly add to the jobs that “need” to be done.

    My feeling is that more people work bullshit jobs because they pay better than e.g. harvesting crops or driving a bus.

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    • earphone843@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      They work bullshit jobs because harvesting crops and driving a bus are shitty jobs that basically no one wants to do.

      I used to work those shitty jobs, and pay wasn’t the issue

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      • thisfro@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        If more people would work those jobs, each would have to do less of it

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    • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Those are low requirement jobs

      Almost every body able citizen with a license can drive

      Almost every body abled citizen can harvest a crop

      Not EVERYONE wants to do it, so they invest time and money into themselves to get a skill level that will allow them to get a job in something else not related to the thing they don’t like

      But that was in the old days or with low ROI enterprises

      Now most modern agriculture is done with automation, gps tracking and smart systems

      Your average crop picker doesn’t matter anymore

      They’d need to be more knowledgeable to not only be in a new harvester cabin, but understand the training that comes with it

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• sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Also, at what point do you tip into you-dont-get-choose-your-job land? Is it still considered freedom if you are required to have a job to serve basic needs of the larger community? For example, we need more doctors even without universal healthcare in the US. If we covered the basic needs of everyone, wouldn’t we have to require some people to become doctors, who are not on that trajectory today?

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  • rockerface@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If doctors would be paid what managers are paid today, I’m sure there will be enough incentive. Essential jobs need to pay what they’re worth, which is more than any other jobs

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