Comment on Is there any non-zero possibility Musk was not doing a Hitler Salute?

• PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  The fact that he is openly a nazi-supporting white supremist is the only reason I say I’m not confident it was an accident.

  But again, my whole second paragraph: Why does it matter if it was a roman salute or not? Why do we need to point to it? We knew he was a Nazi before this and had clearer proof to point to then, and since then, he has not changed at all and continues to provide clearer proof.

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  • lurklurk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    There are people who realised musk is awful many years ago, and there are people who will keep cheering even if there are tesla branded concentration camps, and people all along the gradient between.

    The reason it’s useful to call out the apparent nazi salute is that some additional people might now notice that perhaps that musk guy isn’t great. Thed didn’t notice the twitter stuff, or the trump support or all the other things, but this is pretty obvious.

    The idea that we should just go “well, we already knew he was a nazi supporter, no need to comment when he does an apparent nazi salute on the inauguration of the president he bought” is pretty silly

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    • PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The reason it matters is because if you use faulty evidence (or in this case, questionable evidence) to try and sway someone, it just makes you look untrustworthy as Elon claims everyone who criticizes him is, and risks entrenching them against you. If you’re making statements with complete certainty, you need to have near-unassailable evidence.

      The idea that we should just go “well, we already knew he was a nazi supporter, no need to comment when he does an apparent nazi salute on the inauguration of the president he bought” is pretty silly

      The point isn’t to ignore it. The point is be honest to the truth, including any uncertainty. Jumping to conclusions or acting like you’re certain when you’re not only serves to weaken your position. If you’re trying to prove Elon is a Nazi, you should point to all the statements in support of Nazi ideology and his complete refusal to condem it even when relevant, rather than something that could just be regular stupidity.

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      • lurklurk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        You have a point in that, in the general case, accuracy and evidence is good.

        In this specific case, I think it’s obviously a nazi salute and whether that is “just to trigger the libs” or not in the heart of Musk simply does not matter.

        Making a nazi salute several times while on scene for an extreme right party isn’t regular stupidity. We don’t need different boxes for “consistent supporter in word and action of extreme right wing white power etc things who likes using nazi imagery and dogwhistles, but who possibly wouldn’t really call themselves a nazi” and “actually technically subscribes to the entirety legacy nazi party’s old agenda”. They both fit in the nazi box

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