If trump starts a trade war or physical war or even goes after Greenland I foresee Canada shutting off our electric (hydro Quebec) in retaliation. It would force our secession to save ourselves. Vermont routinely goes well below 0 in the winter for weeks on end, and hydro Quebec is where we get I believe a third of our energy. If not a third a very significant amount that we can’t go without.
I can also see them shutting off oil and gas pipelines to other states but that doesn’t affect vermont. But those states might also secede over it. Fuck with cold states energy infrastructure in winter and we won’t have a choice.
Also our constitution protects abortion, and I can see that also being a factor in us going back to being an independent republic or even joining Canada if they’ll take us. We have a substantial French Canadian population here.
I don’t think it would be like the civil war, most Americans couldn’t point to vermont on a map and were not economically important.
I know I’m probably getting the political landscape of vermont and new hampshire mixed up, but isn’t vermont pretty red? Similar to the way new york is pretty red once you get out of the big city? That’s probably going to be a nightmare if anything happened.
It’s pretty complicated. Our “red” looks nothing like the rest of Americas red. We’re not religious, and those who are keep it to themselves and have a live and let live philosophy. Evangelicalism is deeply unpopular here.
We’re a purple state locally, bright blue nationally. We voted like 80+% for Bernie and 70+% for Republican Phil Scott as governor.
I’d say we’re mostly small L libertarians - pro guns, pro LGBTQ, pro women’s rights, pro weed, strong social safety net for a small state. You also have la la land liberals in Burlington and montpelier who are completely out of touch with the rest of the state. I live in a “red” part of the state and have never felt threatened in the decade I’ve been here, most people are chill.
I grew up in the NYC metro area where I was routinely assaulted for being queer in the 90s. Hence my take no prisoners attitude when it comes to liberals protecting capital and aligning with fascists.
inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
If trump starts a trade war or physical war or even goes after Greenland I foresee Canada shutting off our electric (hydro Quebec) in retaliation. It would force our secession to save ourselves. Vermont routinely goes well below 0 in the winter for weeks on end, and hydro Quebec is where we get I believe a third of our energy. If not a third a very significant amount that we can’t go without.
I can also see them shutting off oil and gas pipelines to other states but that doesn’t affect vermont. But those states might also secede over it. Fuck with cold states energy infrastructure in winter and we won’t have a choice.
Also our constitution protects abortion, and I can see that also being a factor in us going back to being an independent republic or even joining Canada if they’ll take us. We have a substantial French Canadian population here.
I don’t think it would be like the civil war, most Americans couldn’t point to vermont on a map and were not economically important.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Ah gotcha, that makes sense now.
I lived in Vermont for year, and yeah those winters are no joke. But I could also see y’all telling the fed to go fuck themselves.
Kitathalla@lemy.lol 1 week ago
I know I’m probably getting the political landscape of vermont and new hampshire mixed up, but isn’t vermont pretty red? Similar to the way new york is pretty red once you get out of the big city? That’s probably going to be a nightmare if anything happened.
inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
It’s pretty complicated. Our “red” looks nothing like the rest of Americas red. We’re not religious, and those who are keep it to themselves and have a live and let live philosophy. Evangelicalism is deeply unpopular here.
We’re a purple state locally, bright blue nationally. We voted like 80+% for Bernie and 70+% for Republican Phil Scott as governor.
I’d say we’re mostly small L libertarians - pro guns, pro LGBTQ, pro women’s rights, pro weed, strong social safety net for a small state. You also have la la land liberals in Burlington and montpelier who are completely out of touch with the rest of the state. I live in a “red” part of the state and have never felt threatened in the decade I’ve been here, most people are chill.
I grew up in the NYC metro area where I was routinely assaulted for being queer in the 90s. Hence my take no prisoners attitude when it comes to liberals protecting capital and aligning with fascists.
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 week ago
Secession will certainly mean war under Trump. He’s way more of a war hawk than Lincoln ever was.
inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
He wouldn’t be able to find vermont on map. Probably thinks we’re our own country already.
The US hasn’t won a war since ww2 so again, fuck around find out with the original guerrilla warriors.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 1 week ago
He would probably threaten to carpet bomb the fuck out of you and whine when generals don’t do it