throwing a kid in gaol
The “kid” is an adult.
You will fuck up multiple lives
He would have fucked up multiple lives if not stopped. Where’s the compassion for his future victims?
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NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 4 days agoWhat do you anticipate the likely outcome of a gaol sentence early in life to be? If it’s not recidivism I would suggest you study criminology some. Fuck even my bastard of a BIL cop prosecutor recognises that sending kids to gaol just gets them coming back again and again.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 4 days ago
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 days ago
The “kid” is an adult.
Brains don’t stop developing until 20-something. He should know better, but he’s young enough to be correctable.
He would have fucked up multiple lives if not stopped. Where’s the compassion for his future victims?
But he hasn’t fucked up multiple lives, because he was thankfully caught. His ‘future victims’ don’t exist, so having compassion for them is a strictly emotional response that shouldn’t determine how to act here.
This man needs to be corrected. Long sentences don’t correct people, it increases recidivism and creates a higher risk of future criminality, especially when done at a relatively young age. Meaning you increase the chance of creating future victims, so where’s that compassion of yours now?
What is most effective and best for society usually doesn’t line up with an emotional response demanding harsh punishments.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Brains never stop developing. Most 10 year olds would know ths is dangerous.
What is best for society and what is best for those who are perpetrating these kinds of crimes might not align like you suggest. It is possible that what is best for the perpetrator and what is best for the larger society are entirely different.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 days ago
I mean, the best case scenario actually does align. It’s putting this guy somewhere that he can get both good mental health treatment and be prevented, physically, from reoffending in the meantime. It’s the Nordic justice model.
Professorozone@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Yup, we should ruffle his hair, call him a little roughian, and send him on his way. Afterall no real harm was done… Luckily.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You can imprison someone while explaining why you are imprisoning them. This adult tried to kill people. They are not a child and frankly I would bet most 10 year olds know this is extremely dangerous. They are 18 they are not a “stupid kid”.
They shouldn’t be permitted to exist in civil society without some kind of attempt to determine if they really can function in society. I would argue multiple attempts suggests they might need to be removed from society.
Sometimes we have to consider impacts on the victims of the crime and the society around them rather than focus our concerns on the perpetrator of the crime and what the results are for them.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 4 days ago
I support radical reform of our justice system, to follow something more like the Nordic model.
But in the meantime, violent offenders can’t just be set free. The justice system should seek rehabilitation, yes, but also prevent reoffending. And someone who has already reoffended after the dangerous consequences have been revealed has clearly demonstrated that there is a need to prevent reoffending. This isn’t a non-violent offence like theft. The offender (whether it’s the arrested 18-year-old or not) needs to be prevented from harming, or potentially killing, someone more than he already has.
DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 4 days ago
It’s also the message it sends to society about how much a cyclist’s life is valued. If this young man gets a slap on the wrist it’s essentially saying cyclist’s are fair game. It’s no big deal if you put their lives at risk. Is that really the message we want to be sending?
NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 4 days ago
Nobody died. Nobody is saying people on bikes are free game. There are penalties between nothing and ten thousand years dungeon. You can do stuff like paying damages (years of debt for a kid like that! and actually helps the people hurt), suspended sentencing contingent on fulfilling behavioural therapy and no further convictions.
DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 3 days ago
It’s sheer luck that nobody died. If they shot random people on 2 separate occasions, but nobody died, would you say no prison time, just make him replace the blood soaked clothes?