A Parallel World?

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨goldenballs@wolfballs.com⁩ to ⁨freeforum@wolfballs.com⁩

Given that all across the world, the WASP countries, the Anglosphere; and given that solutions to cancel culture like rumble, gab, and wolfballs etc, are emerging... rather that fight the left for control, would it be better to direct that energy into creating a complete parallel world?

In Kosovo in the 90s, the majority Albanian population created a parallel state that eventually emerged as effectively a real one. Attempts like this, in South Africa, by Boers, and of course the creation of America by British refugees, have been tried.

Whilst obviously, existing states would resist break-up, it seems a better solution for the right in Anglosphere across the planet to unite, coordinate, and consolidate control of territory in each current country, with the ultimate goal of secession, and the creation of a new global confederation based on common principles that we might describe as "conservative" or "natural" or "normal" or "traditional". If the economy and fiat currency is fucked, then create a new one for this new state, based on shared principles, and ultimately create a military, and an all the organs of a state... Don't burn energy trying to impose our values on the left, just abandon some territory to them, and take some for ourselves.... Create a new country. Not a replica of America or Britain or the others, but something new, built on the lessons of the American experiment by British rebels centuries ago.

Something like a Earth Anglo Free Republic... I just look at what's happening, and it seems to me that what works is simply opting out, and creating something new. There are large majorities in zones of all the Anglo countries that have more in common with each other across the world than with their own leftist-fascists. From Alberta to Florida to Northumbria to Queensland.

What is a country without the energy of people to make it live, and the liberty to direct that energy as you choose without impediment? There are aspects of America that appeal to non-Americans, but there are aspects that don't, and a negotiation to take the best bits of each Anglo country might result in something far better than any of them.

Discuss...

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RichardButte@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
What happens when someone says "If you don't like X, go make your own X" and we make our own X? It gets destroyed if it gets any traction.

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- goldenballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  The dark web is a living experiment of this idea.
  
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Spotted_Lady@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
And ideas about the PLE project could be used. Their idea is to create a virtual white society in the midst of a diverse one and be unforgivably and unapologetically White. So you can create this in any neighborhood and have a virtual connection to those just like you, have your own cliques, and live in such a way as to where nobody else would be interested in what you are doing.

So sort of like gentrification, but not exactly that. It isn't so much about becoming better, but more about having the right to be who you are.

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- goldenballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  One of the problems with this is that there's no such thing as "white" or "black", there's no such thing as "race". These are American ideas, as well as archaic poorly-defined ones. You have to start from sound scientific first principles otherwise you end up in knots.
  
  Ethnicity is what exists, comprised of genotype and culturetype; and genotype is comprised of phenotypes, which in turn are comprised of allelles, and sorted into configurations of y-chromosome and mtDNA haplogroups. In other words, you can specifically define a range of values for, say French or Finnish, but you cannot get anywhere near that for, say, Australian Aborigines and Cambodians, it just doesn't work. You can define the differences you see in ethnotype terms, though.
  
  Having Balkanised virtual communities is not going to appeal to the widest audience, what you need is a political cause for buy-in, and it makes life easier to stick to culture-type to align communities together. Ideas like "the Irish pub", "the Greek taverna" etc... They are ethnically distinct, and essentially "white", but its the fact that the culture of getting together to drink and talk that is the alignment, and which unigned culturetypes like in the middle east or far east self-exclude from. Its these ethnic realities that left-wingers fail to understand that leads them down the wrong path to idiotic cryptofascist identity politics, because they cannot reconcile their own difficulty with black people, who are not black at all, but Afro-American, Caribbean, West African, Ethiopian, Kongolese, Swahili, Khoisian, Zulu, etc... I've worked with Nigerians, Jamaicans, Angolans, Saffers, they have very little in common with each other in terms of culture and conduct, just as Russians, Norwegians, Italians, Euro-Americans. "White" doesn't really work, except in the "New World". In the "old world", we are not "white", we are the aborigines.
  
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  - Spotted_Lady@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    To me, race does exist, and it is scientifically proven that there are 3. Those who disagree tend to be on the Left and those I'd rather not converse with.
    
    And really, TBH, what we call races in humans are close to what we call breeds in dogs.
    
    Some of the logic you use could be used to say that dogs and cats are the same, that culture makes them different. Now some are saying that about gender, that it is a social construct. So if that were the case, why would someone choose to be trans? Just believe hard enough and you'd have different parts, different brains, etc.
    
    And no, when I see "black people," I am not imagining that. I don't imagine the brain structure that makes it harder for them to mind their own business, think ahead, avoid the filthy need to socialize all the time, avoid unnecessary sex, or have to dominate, control, or adopt the filthy values of "street smarts." I used to be as naive as you, even colorblind, but that is not how the world works. The brains and inner capacity are the problem. And I get tired of folks saying, "Whites do it too." That has never been the difference, but the inherent genetic inferiority that causes some people to do it more.
    
    I give race as an example only.
    
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Spotted_Lady@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
I'd like to see this.

As for others taking over, you have to find a way to keep a huge secret. Play it off as a joke, attack the idea, be self-deprecating about it, play it off as research, etc. Even if we have to go back to letters, landline phones, and visits. And if you visit others as part of this endeavor, have a car that is as tech-free as possible. No GPS, etc.

I've mulled the idea of creating underground cities, preferably with their own government. And hell, steal to get by if need be, like tap into utilities and all to help bankrupt the failed system. I'm not saying I support or condone that, just brainstorming.

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- goldenballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  For any of it to work,it needs a manifesto that is not too embarrassing or radical, that is based on sounds ideas like UNDHR, Nuremburg Kodex, Magna Carta, 1689 BoR (a precursor to the US constitution), etc... Things that most people can buy into and not feel embarrassed about supporting. It could be said that the rules are already there, but not enforced or taught well; but there is also a case to be made for pulling everything together and restating it in a clearer way with thebenefit of 2020 vision (adding a new meaning to that term, since 2020 now shows us how institutions can fail, even with protections in place).
  
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  - Spotted_Lady@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    By underground, I meant literally underground, not as a metaphor for clandestine. I wouldn't know how folks could avoid detection of newly created cities like that. A supply chain would be one of the hardest parts, and that causes the next problem of security. Ingress and egress would be a problem. And if others find out it exists, you'd have the same shit as now.
    
    The above would be the problems I'd have with moving to Mars. You'd need all cities to be underground, using only the surface for energy production and waste management, and only done by the highly qualified.
    
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sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Lately a big criticism I have of big ideas is "to make the world better, first we must conquer the world." being like something a supervillain would say. If these different ways of living are so great, surely you can implement it immediately and have a better life.

I think we're living that on the fediverse. We are implementing our better way without taking over the world, and our different way is self-sustaining. I don't need people to end facebook or google or twitter to enjoy what we've built together.

Freedom is similar. Florida and Texas and Saskatchewan can choose freedom, and as they live a better way they immediately benefit. European countries choose freedom, and they immediately benefit.

The problem is when the socialists try to take over the world. Saskatchewan can't choose freedom if der fuhrer Trudeau mandates tyranny at the federal level. That's why we need to fight authoritarianism at the federal level, so local governments are free to implement the will of the people, whether that will is authoritarian or free.

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- goldenballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  Nothing in what i said is about "trying to take over the world", it's more about networking and solidarity against a common enemy, not unlike the Allies in WW2 and Cold War, the difference now is that the common enemy is a 5th column. It's already happening with people in Australia, the UK, in Anerica, in NZ, in Europe, supporting what Canadians are doing by their revolt. ...but i do see echoes in history when British fled to North America to escape oppressive overlords.
  
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  - sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    I was more thinking of the socialists when I said that, but I think it's relevant to the current discussion because there's a lot of work to get to the point where you could start talking about something like a big worldwide alliance of different states, provinces, prefectures, and so on.
    
    Hell, you talked about Alberta, step 1 is to get Jason Kenny out and get someone who believes in freedom in. No use having an alliance of provinces if your own province is still betraying the people.
    
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squashkin@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
to me the fight against the left and building and living in the parallel go hand in hand, are perhaps one and the same

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Scruffy_Nerfherder@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
No. They are parasites. The left can't survive without a host, so when we move they move with us. It never ends, and the whining never stops.

At some point we need to realize that our enemies want us dead and act accordingly.

When we develop the will to allow them to suffer the horrible consequences of their own stupid ideas - then and only then would moving be possible and kind. They would exterminate themselves.

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- goldenballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  I agree that once palaeoconservative "Europeans" around the world agree on a common set of principles to fight for, then, the left will be exterminated. Those principles have to be superior ones, and clearly European ones... Northwest European ones... Anglo ones.
  
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