We should insulate Wolfballs against Communism

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Scruffy_Nerfherder@wolfballs.com⁩ to ⁨freeforum@wolfballs.com⁩

Communism isn't a failed economic theory. Communism is the wholesale slaughter of mankind. Communism always leads to murder in proportion to the degree it is embraced.

The Bolsheviks didn't take over Russia with the promises of starving millions to death, they took over with promises of free stuff. However murder and starvation were the only things delivered.

Communists don't debate. They can't. The track record of their ideology is too soiled in the blood of it's victims. They infiltrate. They push out other ideas, which is why Lemmy can't tolerate opposing views.

To this point I have requested C/Comminism if it should become available. I have also taken the communities Socialism, Real Socialism, as well as Real Communism. In these communities free and open debate is allowed. You can be for or against such things as will be the case with Communism if it should come my way.

They can have free speech. They cannot survive in a free speech environment. More importantly, I have taken the prime real estate away from them which puts them at a disadvantage.

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10_0@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
I don't think anyone from Lemmy.ml would want to make a sublemmy on wolfballs tbh. Wolfballs is right leaning so it would be the same as preaching to a wall.

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- masterofballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  We are not and never will be "right" leaning. We are freedom leaning. Someone from Lemmy made a sublemmy here yesterday here.
  
  Trump supporters are welcome. Democrats and their wife's boyfriends are also welcome here.
  
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  - 10_0@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    "Right leaning" as in the user base is majority right leaning, not that the official bio states it's right leaning. "Democrats and their wife's boyfriends are also welcome here." Proves my point. (You, yourself are freedom leaning.)
    
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Monarque@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Well, yes, we do not need to insulate ourselves from them.... We just need to guarantee free speech on wolf balls and everything will fall into place.

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10_0@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Also taking communities you don't intend to use is going to be a pain in the ass if someone wanted to actually make a commie sublemmy, but then again it's only "freespeech" if I can be the first to shout at someone, for daring to "infiltrate" my "insulation".

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- Monarque@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  Yeah I figure why not let Communists run their communist community... Maybe even allow them to not tolerate dissent there....
  
  Becsuse the rest of this place will be invariably dominated by us.
  
  It would of course be weird if suddenly we got ten thousand communist users and master is paying for basically the upkeep of ninety nine percent communist content but if this also generated revenue and kept the website working then... I guess it would be the Communists business if they chose to give money to master.
  
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  - sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    One important thing is that wolfballs isn't reddit. It's a federated website running FOSS software that supports the ActivityPub software platform.
    
    With reddit, there's one and only one reddit and it's the only place you can host a reddit community. If you're not allowed to host something on reddit.com, then you're not allowed to host something on reddit.
    
    By contrast, if someone can't host their lemmy community on wolfballs, they can turn right around and buy wolfdick.com and host their own instance. Hell, most lemmy instances are hosted on .ml (marxist leninist) domains, they're overtly communist already, and they can moderate their communities on their sites however they like -- and they do.
    
    On a site they control, they can subscribe to any communities on any site they wish, or they can block any site or community or users they desire.
    
    The concept of fairness is significantly different in an ecosystem like that. Anyone can start a site, nobody needs to ask permission, and if you get banned from one of the instances (I'm now banned from lemmy.ml because of course I am), your ability to engage has only been lessened by one site you're not directly using.
    
    In some ways, they do us a favor in that manner: They become a hugbox echo chamber where nobody is allowed to disagree, and the rest of us can hang out in the smoking section with the cool kids who can say things people don't like.
    
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- Scruffy_Nerfherder@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  Who said I didn't intend to use them?
  
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  - 10_0@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    The fact that you heavily disagree with Communism, and don't want Communists on wolfballs. Or you could just post mocking memes about Lemmy's devs, and make posts shitting on Communism, then I'm completely wrong and you have won the war.
    
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iamtanmay@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Yes, you are right. Here in the czech republic, the communists are openly allowed to run for politics and say what they want. The Czechs learned their lesson after decades under the soviets, that the best medicine for Commies is free speech.

They are mocked relentlessly here. Its wonderful to see.

And their arguments are always along the line of: "The Soviets were not real communists. We are totally different than them." snort hahahaha

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- ZippyTheFox@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  
  The Soviets were not real communists
  
  Real communism A.K.A stateless, classless society achieved by revolutionary seizing of the means of production, is a pipe dream. So they're more or less correct, but not for the reasons they seem to think. Humans are too selfish and tribal for it to work on a larger scale than a small village.
  
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  - iamtanmay@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    Its not a pipe dream - its impossible.
    
    Only a 4 year old would think its possible to flatten society till everyone is equal.
    
    Everyone is different, one is a better artist, one a better mathematician. It is impossible for 1 entity to calculate everyone's place in society.
    
    Capitalism and democracy had the right idea to give individuals the responsibility to decide what they want to do and what value they put on things.
    
    This free market of ideas is the only way to govern any society greater than 1 person. Even in a relationship of 2 people, if 1 person decides everything, its not going to go so well for the other person.
    
    No centralization of authority. Individual liberty is sacrosanct.
    
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  - yedero@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    Humans are more self centered than selfish. They genuinely want to help people, give them good things. Things that are good from their point of view. But since we're all different, what we see as good and bad is different too. Selfishness arises after several generations of living without justice, and hastens the collapse of society.
    
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- Scruffy_Nerfherder@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  I'd rather say you can speak than ask, can I speak.
  
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masterofballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
We can't ban communities or moderation policies or we will be just like lemmy and reddit and no one will come here. People come here to do as they want. Trolling and ship talking/posting is encouraged however.

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- Scruffy_Nerfherder@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  I don't want to ban them. I am not advocating that we ban them. I am allowing them a place, but one with free speech. I don't know what will happen or who will come, all I know is that in my communities, dissent is allowed.
  
  Heavy censorship usually caters to the left. I think a lot of the heavy Communists are going to stay in those spaces because there are no opposing views and there isn't a lot of work involved in sharing ideas. I can only enforce free speech and open spaces in communities I own, so that is what I did. My goal is that any Communist coming here will be able to speak, but also have to face opposing views.
  
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goldenballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
I think we should insulate wolfballs against cummunism - the ownership of the means of ejaculation by the sex workers. Set those balls free...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VNjq5W_y00

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squashkin@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

I have taken the prime real estate away from them which puts them at a disadvantage

yeah, it's good to do this, and think of other leftist things (maybe like a vegan community) for us to take the helm of so we can keep it open for discussion or curb "radical" visions that make no sense (like that it's a sin to eat meat on days that don't require abstinence or something)

I think these things are beaten more by example and people experiencing the displeasure at regulations and taxes and the positives of free initiative maybe more than certain debates or reading things. I guess the abuse of authority (of teachers approving of communism) has had an impression on a lot of minds, so I guess maybe discussions can have an impact.

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- Scruffy_Nerfherder@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  I was thinking a lot about this. Free speech needs defended. It's not enough to yell free speech while you survey a land of locked down communities. Communities themselves have to be reasonably open.
  
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  - squashkin@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    yeah I commented about this in another thread I think
    
    I'm kind of ok with there being closed speech communities, as that's also something freedom allows people to do
    
    so there can be an additional political position that people are for freedom on private communities as well; this comes up with libertarianism, that a person might be for not making certain drugs illegal but might not want people doing those drugs on a property they own (like at a restaurant). But another person might be for the legal drug use and allowing the drug use on their property. So likewise you could have communities on here that allow a moderator to freely moderate as they want to (which can be authoritarian) or you could force them to have to allow "free speech" on their community (which in a way is kind of authoritarian to force them to moderate in ways they don't want to - so I call this "authoritarian libertarianism"). Would be interesting to see an experiment of how a lemmy instance might look that has the policy that you can't censor anyone in any community (besides spam or illegal things or some obvious infractions) - I'm kind of interested in that approach, because it protects against rogue censorious mods, but also kind of for the opposite approach as it's nice to have the freedom to create a community designed how you like it to look.
    
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