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Peter Molyneux thinks generative AI is the future of games, all but guaranteeing that it won't be
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bazus1@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Squid1501@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Like it or not, one way or another, AI is going to keep playing a larger roll in the games industry. I don’t think we will ever have anything worthwhile that will generate whole games like he is saying but it’s still going to be used to generate content.
It’s already taking over chat moderation in a lot of larger games.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I mean… We had Daggerfall and Minecraft with procedural generation under the hood, and many others, for a very long time. Why we’d need a model that ‘learns’?
I ask about in-game applications, not the use of LLMs in production.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Obvious application is having NPCs that you can actually talk with. Not just about one or two topics that they have a pre-recorded voice line to tell you about, but about anything at all. And with AI speech generation as well, you could have them somewhat realistically talk back to you.
You could also have an LLM working as a kind of DM, coming up with new quests with stories and some content variety. A lot of games have repeatable randomized missions, but this are very formulaic and feel very repetitive after you’ve done a few. There’s usually no story, just a basic combat grind. A LLM could come up with actually interesting randomized quests, like a murder mystery where the murderer had a motive and you can legitimately question the suspects about anything they know.
Squid1501@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There are a small handful of good use. Content moderation and automatic translation of voice chat is an example.
Mostly though i think it will be AI used to generate content for the game, not during the game.
AnIntenseMoist@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I forgot what game it was for, but some guy implemented an actual conversation system with in-game outcomes using AI.
I could also see more dynamic questing systems, character behaviors, even crafting systems based around the tech. But that requires investment and effort to make the tech work. Not exactly why studios might be investing in AI in the first place.
jimmy90@lemmy.world 2 months ago
disappointingly i agree with Pete. with vast new open worlds like no mans sky i think the standard of generative AI could weave good plots, locations, characters and mcguffins
whole game mechanics and voice acting and animation however, i doubt
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Yes and no.
The thing to understand about “AI” is that basically all of it is old tech with a few advances and much better branding.
“Generative AI” to make worlds is very much the future of games… it is also the past. When Bethesda could do no wrong and Oblivion was the new hotness, there was a big deal about the forest (and I think even town?) generation tech and how it let them make a much denser world than Morrowind ever was. And… it did. It just also felt samey (which is actually realistic to anyone who spends time walking through forests and/or suburbia can attest but…).
Which led to a strong pushback against admitting these tools were used. I want to say the UE4/5 demos on this kind of tech usually includes “and then you modify it” after generating a forest or whatever. And MS Flight Sim 2020/2024 is heavily dependent on this kind of tech.
But as things get more advanced? It suddenly gets a lot easier to make a good open world (which, for all its flaws, Ubi’s Ghost Recon Breakpoint is a great example) where you have the giant forests with natural-ish paths that funnel you to POIs via a text prompt or a configuration file.
The other aspect which, funny enough, also goes back to Oblivion is the idea of procedurally generated quests/stories and narratives. A big part of Oblivion was that every NPC needs to eat food every N hours and that this was the big reason why everyone would kill themselves by eating a mysterious apple that you reverse pickpocketed on them. But you also had Radiant Quests where a random NPC would ask you to go to a random dungeon and get them a random item.
And… the fact that people had so much trouble realizing how pointless those radiant quests were says a lot about how many basement rats and yak asses we kill in the average RPG. Which is why there are increasingly guides for the Dragon Ages of the world that list what quests are “worth it” based on narrative and the like. Which gets back to the idea of generating en masse and then fine tuning.
The real sticking point, like all things AI once you get past the knee jerk bullshit and marketing, is assets and proper credit. Making a voice or texture or mesh model based on previous work is trivial and has been a thing for most of the past decade. The big issue is that getting that training data is complicated and there are very important discussions to be had about what it means to compensate creators for using their art/being as training data. And companies are glad to skip all that and just get it “for free”.
knightly@pawb.social 2 months ago
Generative AI is a statistical model, not something that can understand what makes a good plot…
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Video game stories being famously unique and not at all formulaic.
seejur@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think ai will be good to make NPC more lively. Having stupid boring quests, and boring dialogue is still a game changer for immersion, if you are able to hold a conversation for 10 min with any NPC in the game. Of course this does not concern main quests etc.
arran4@aussie.zone 2 months ago
It’s probably great for bulk as it gives you something close to what you would expect. I imagine it would be different for things that are specific to the lore, world, etc.
Valmond@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ugh that headline, all but guaranteeing it won’t be … So he doesnt guarantee (how could he) AI won’t be the future if games?
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Its a joke based on molyneux’s long history of over promising and under delivering coupled with his past borderline (outright for the cube game?) scamming.
Valmond@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oh thanks! Yeah he was kind of wild back in the day lol
kemsat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think it’s because he’s known for being wrong about the way the video games industry is evolving
Varyag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Thanks for taking that L for the industry again, Peter.