I think this message should be memed, since "The Satanic Temple" seems to be a top pro-abortion advocate
"Satanism" is kind of vague, one definition being that it is "do whatever you want". So, under this definition, it would be reasonable to be anti-abortion, or for abortion. So at least the waters can be muddied here that there's no one stance by Satanists on abortion by this definition of "do what thou will".
Under another variant, they have seven tenets of Satanism.
#1 is: "One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason"
You could easily argue this means abortion violates this tenet, so to be a "true Satanist" would be to oppose abortion as it violates this tenet.
Another, #3 is: "One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone"
This could also be easily construed as being anti-abortion inherently, as abortion violates the integrity of the unborn's body and imposes one's will on another.
I guess it should also be noted that, denying that the unborn have bodies, or arguing that abortion is compassionate "in accordance with reason", might lead to a pro-abortion stance.
Frequently from various posts responding with outrage to the overturning of Roe v. Wade, it seems like the other side has trouble acknowledging this difference of opinion that exists (they seem unable to literally be able to see the perspective of the opposing side, that abortion takes an innocent separate life).
Hence "true Satanism" is either indifferent towards abortion, or against it; an argument could be made that "true Satanism" is "conservatarian" on the issue of abortion.
sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 2 years ago
I've been saying this a lot lately, but the really bizarre thing about people claiming that anti-abortion can only come from religion is that their claims are extremely religious.
Just think about it for a second. When is a new organism created. When the egg is fertilized by the sperm, a brand new set of DNA is produced, and the first cell of this new organism is created. That is the science. We know it.
Then very quickly, that cell turns into two, then four, then eight, eventually you have something with a head, and a nervous system, a beating heart, arms and legs. We know this. It's just true, we can see it on the ultrasound.
By just 10 weeks in, you have something that is moving on its own. I find it very uncompelling to just say that that thing isn't alive, it's sitting there doing things without the mother doing it.
So let's contrast that to the other argument. That there is a holy birthing canal, and the child is not imparted with a soul until after being expelled from the holy birthing canal.
If that doesn't sound super religious, I don't know what does. It definitely blows past all of the actual scientific facts that we know about pregnancy.
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
well you also remind me of the problem of atheists being able to have morality, like if there's no God or standard and people can believe whatever, who decides abortion or prolife is moral? what basis besides preference do they have for their view? so again then for them to have a moral high ground or exclusive opinion doesn't seem to make sense, any more than prolifers doing the same.
they believe in and want equality... but wonct accept these opinions as equal.
sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 2 years ago
I'm a hard atheist (not really a choice, I just don't believe), but if you wipe the slate clean you're going to be stuck with an insurmountable problem: famously you can't get an ought from an is. All the facts in the world won't tell you what first principles of an ethic are.
I had a major existential crisis for a while because an atheistic viewpoint can be nihilistic -- why do we live a good life? Why bother? What does the universe think we should do?
Eventually I recognised there is an innate moral sense I got somehow, but it wasn't until recently that I realized that the innate moral sense comes in part from our culture, which includes religion.
One of the first things I bought for my son was a beautiful leather bound bible and I recently bought him an illustrated children's bible, and I intend to involve our family with the church as he grows up. This is an important part of our culture, and a lot of our fundamental ethical principles are derived from that.