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Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Just because there is public support does not mean it’s right. Tanking the economy will only hurt the majority, billionaires literally won’t notice. It’s not just the UAW that’s impacted, there’s huge ripple effects. Many suppliers were barely hanging on and this will probably be a death knell. And honestly, this is what makes me fucking hate working in Financial Services for one of the big 3.

I run a department that performs forecasting that eventually influences the affordability of leasing globally and I’m responsiblefor a $25B portfolio. I work my ass off and I have a new family with a 1 year old - we were having a decent year finally after 3 bad ones, then this fucker comes along and is going to tank it.

So now my family is going to suffer because of something completely unrelated to my role and performance. He makes sound bites, but the sides are so far apart it’s ridiculous. They accuse the companies of negotiating in bad faith, yet the UAW has yet to respond to any offer with a counter. They’ve been offered 20%+ raises, cost of living adjustments, signing bonuses, elimination of tiers, more holidays off, and better profit sharing - which is a huge improvement and gets them the majority of what they are asking for, but they’ve literally thrown that in the trash. My bet is all he will accomplish is more factories moving to non-UAW locations or Mexico.

What exactly is the advantage of being American made when the workers turn out the worst quality for the highest wages and they can shut down production on a whim every few years? It’s honestly very frustrating to see this issue not being taken seriously here and there seems to be such little appreciation for the broader impacts.

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Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Tanking the economy will only hurt the majority, billionaires literally won’t notice

You’re talking about another recession where they can scoop up assets on the cheap and weather the storm while less fortunate people die. We’re talking about dismantling the system that makes that possible.

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- Nahvi@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It is a lot easier to tear down the hard work of others than to build something up yourself.
  
  The UAW is not some benevolent non-profit out to help the poor people of America. They are an organization that represents less than .05% of Americans in one of the best paid low-skill jobs in America, and they say they are willing to try and tank the economy for the benefit of their members at the cost of everyone else.
  
  They are in no way going to dismantle the system that has made them wealthier than their friends and neighbors. They are just holding out for a bigger package with more benefits, and are willing to play Russian Roulette with the economy to get it.
  
  Even if all three CEOs gave up their salaries and benefits packages to benefit the UAW workers they would each only gain about $1 an hour based on my napkin math.
  
  This Fain guy’s rhetoric is nothing more than that and it makes him and the union sound like an asshole to a neutral observer. Not that there are any neutral observers in this post.
  
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  - FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    How about if the three auto companies gave up 5% of their profits instead?
    
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    Nahvi@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I have no idea what sort of profit margins the auto companies are working on. I do think profit sharing is a pretty decent idea though. I am surprised the UAW isn’t asking for something like that. Maybe it is too unstable for wage workers in case of a recession.
    
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  - meyotch@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Fuck right off with the ‘low-skill’ shit.
    
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    Nahvi@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Am I wrong? I was using it as a comparison to jobs that require a similar amount of education and training.
    
    I tried to check and it seemed to be categorized as “unskilled”. Didn’t really seem like a completely fair assessment so I used “low-skill” instead.
    
    What would you call jobs in this category?
    
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  - Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    nothing but a bunch of pro-establishment and anti-union gaslighting nonsense
    
    We’re done here, bootlicker.
    
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- duffman@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  What does it mean to dismantle the system?
  
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  - Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Asking for specifics, unable to grasp obvious concepts or being a sealion?
    
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    cheesemonk@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Why is so much online discourse like this?
    
    Why not just give slightly more specific information on what a better system would look like?
    
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burntbutterbiscuits@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Thanks for the report CNmsNbc! Much appreciated

You’re talking out of your ass with bs anecdotes. I don’t care.

The corporate executives are tanking the economy not the workers. If you believe otherwise you’re an idiot.

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SmoothIsFast@citizensgaming.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The Dollar is the world reserve currency. Most billionaires wealth is directly tired to its stability. It’s why China/Russia may hate our government but they don’t try and fuck with wall street, they have their value tired to the same piggy bank. Destroying the US economy would directly impact the billionaire class and to act like it wouldn’t is such a fucking cop out.

So now my family is going to suffer because of something completely unrelated to my role and performance.

Considering you seem to not give two shits about the others getting affected by shit outside of their control and now that we are working to get rights for everyone else you feel slighted because your fucked corporate role aided in fucking everyone else, I have no fucking sympathy for you. I hope your affected because then you might just fucking get it because you clearly fucking don’t. Go pound sand dumb ass.

They’ve been offered 20%+ raises, cost of living adjustments, signing bonuses, elimination of tiers, more holidays off, and better profit sharing - which is a huge improvement and gets them the majority of what they are asking for

They want CEOs, and the billionaires reading the benefits of their work to be striped of most their wealth and redistributed to the masses where it’s needed. They don’t want scraps and what should of been given in the first place, they want fucking change. Honestly the fact you think this is enough clearly defines how fucked your mindset is and clearly demonstrates why you need to feel the hurt from this change. Go cry to your ceo I’m sure he will toss you to side just as quickly as everyone else even though you feel so strongly you need to defend those incompetent pieces of shit.

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