Comment on NYPD arrests migrant who allegedly set woman on fire on subway train, watched her burn to death
SeanBrently@lemm.ee 2 weeks agoOK, but how can you just brush past the very real concern for the safety of American citizens? Fear-mongering wouldn’t work if people felt secure. The fact is that people don’t, and there ought to be some way to address that without demonizing anyone.
boywar3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People don’t feel secure because they have been told not to by the right wing media. The numbers show that immigrants commit far fewer violent crimes than US citizens, with every single metric pointing towards a decline of ALL crime. We are in the most peaceful and safe time in history by most every metric, but we are also in the time with the easiest access to information, so people think things are crazy and violent because they have access to news that talks about it worldwide.
I’m the 1850s you’d hear about this awful happening across the country a week after the fact in the paper - today you can practically see it in real time. It warps our perception of how safe/unsafe we are and is used as a way to create an “other” to demonize in order to gain power. Just as the Nazis made their “other” the Jews, so too have conservatives made their “other” immigrants and trans people. The sooner people realize that, the sooner they can realize they’ve been had for years by grifters.
realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Generally speaking the places that can’t stop migrant crime also don’t stop citizen crime. Deporting illegal immigrants is an easy way to decrease some crime so I think the inaction on that front makes people frustrated. But at the same time you’re right about citizen crime being a bigger problem than migrant crime, and additionally the rarer a thing is the more likely instances of it are to go viral since they’re sensational and dramatic.
To be fair, violent crime is rising, so while yes America is extremely safe and one of the safest places in the world, it also is getting more dangerous.
allsides.com/…/violence-america-fbi-quietly-revis…
shalafi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why would the FBI sneakily downgrade violent crime stats? As with any police force, crime is good business, good for funding and staffing.
boywar3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A slight uptick in violent crime today compared to the numbers we had in the 70s (19th or 20th Century, take your pick) is drastically lower still.
As to the point of deportations, no, it isn’t an “easy way” to reduce crime. The logistical strain of such an action and disruption to our economy is staggering to even think about. In a morbid way, the handful of crimes committed by illegal immigrants are acceptable casualties on the altar of economic stability: if people won’t stand for expensive eggs (thanks bird flu), they sure as shit won’t stand for EVERYTHING that uses migrant labor going up dramatically either.
realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Firstly, it’s a bit odd that you’re comparing our crime stats to the 70s, as that’s completely irrelevant. Nobody on the right is comparing current crime rates to the crime rates of the 70s.
Secondly, you’re completely right that mass deportations aren’t “easy”, I should I have said simple. It’s like, “oh, a bunch of these people are causing crimes, let’s get rid of them and we’ll have less crime”. Even if you pull that off, you’ll still have crime from the citizens that’s not being dealt with, which I believe is something we agree on.
Thirdly, I don’t think depriving workers of rights is worth cheaper eggs. On that front, you sound pretty hyper-capitalistic, to an absurd degree.