I disagree with the characterization of Hexbear as being trolls. A bunch of people disagreeing with you in an argument isn’t trolling, if they were following you to other comments or sending you threatening DMs and shit now that’s a different story.
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owlinsight@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I’ll give you my own personal reason. I’ve had to literally change instance because I had the misfortune to disagree with some of them. It was a political conversation and the level of hate and trolling was the most toxic I’ve seen on Lemmy. The amount of messages and replies that attacked me and/or mocked me was enough for me to made me painfully aware overnight of what hexbear is simply because all the attacks/trolling was obviously from the same instance.
There was (and in my opinion still is) no point in seeing their answers since a great amount of their replies were just pictures or gifs of things like the butthole of a pig, literal shit and things of that caliber. Additionally, every posts or discussion that talks about them, inevitably draws their attention and they start to spam the same kind of stuff, relishing in the idea that they are hated, simply replying with things like “cope, seethe, rent free etc”.
I’ve also personally blocked all the instances from hexbear I could and a lot of users from there because I don’t come to Lemmy to be called fascist or to try to have conversations with trolls.
Personally, I can’t see anything that could help in change the culture when the people at the top AND the people at the bottom don’t seem to have any interest in changing. I definetly give props to people like you for trying to change it and I’m sorry you get bunched up with less pleasant users, but I’m here to look at photos of pets, talking about plants and books and other silly things that don’t deserve that level of hate. I certainly want nothing to do with it.
That was my personal view and experience. Hope it helped with your questions
uralsolo@hexbear.net 9 months ago
owlinsight@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I never said people disagreeing with me is trolling. I’m quite aware of what trolling actually is. And I find interesting how that “people disagreeing with you is not trolling” line gets said so often by people of that instance. Trolling is trolling.
forcequit@hexbear.net 9 months ago
to save us all the time, we had this discussion a month ago, in which is OPs first interaction with our instance.
This post feels like bait tbh
Nakoichi@hexbear.net 9 months ago
It’s because we’re loud, incredibly active, argumentative, and most importantly we are generally speaking unified. Yes there are differences, but compare the pushback when a hexbear posts something pro-china vs when someone else posts something anti-china. We’ll get maybe 2-3 responses, all of which will immediately get dogpiled anyway. They’ll get 10 of us. We also all upvote the takes we all agree on, so much so that it looks like vote manipulation. No other group on the fediverse has that type of unity, even if they broadly agree with each other.
Also the giant emojis probably don’t help lol.
I think this sums it up pretty well. We have a sort of organic party line and a tendency to back each other up when we see folks in the posting trenches.
Really it’s just solidarity forged out of years of being assailed on all sides by liberals and fascists.
uralsolo@hexbear.net 9 months ago
I’m sorry, but your post makes it sound like that’s what you’re saying. Either that or you consider pithy, dismissive responses (ie “cope and seethe” or PPB) to be trolling, which I also disagree with.
MonsieurHedge@kbin.social 9 months ago
I don't know how to break it to you that like 99% of people think using pithy, dismissive responses is bonafide asshole behaviour, and that's why nobody wants to talk to you guys.
Your "instance culture" is just being a bunch of assholes. This is why everyone defederates you.
randint@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Why are the pithy, dismissive responses not trolling? Those replies are exactly trolling.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 9 months ago
What? Ppb, rent free stuff is absolutely trolling.
" In slang, a troll is a person who posts or makes inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages online or in real life, with the intent of provoking others into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating others’ perception, thus acting as a bully or a provocateur. "
It’s literally trying to dismiss or detail the conversation, or illicit frustration out of the recipient. It’s used when they don’t care for the discussion.
turtlepower@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Replying with your instance’s precious ppb is trolling, you fucking apologist.
JasSmith@kbin.social 9 months ago
But he didn’t lament disagreement. He was very clear about the stuff he thinks is trolling.
There was (and in my opinion still is) no point in seeing their answers since a great amount of their replies were just pictures or gifs of things like the butthole of a pig, literal shit and things of that caliber. Additionally, every posts or discussion that talks about them, inevitably draws their attention and they start to spam the same kind of stuff, relishing in the idea that they are hated, simply replying with things like “cope, seethe, rent free etc”.
Why are you pretending you didn’t read his comment? It’s literally right there. We can all see it. Pictures of shit isn’t disagreement. It’s trolling.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Dude your neighbors do that shit to everyone constantly
Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 9 months ago
You are a little baby
squiblet@kbin.social 9 months ago
So, case in point…
Nakoichi@hexbear.net 9 months ago
I choose to interact with these types in a more interrogative manner. But I can’t blame you for choosing violence first.
forcequit@hexbear.net 9 months ago
how I defeated fascism with the power of love.
-by Luigi
owlinsight@lemm.ee 9 months ago
@comr@hexbear.net
A perfect example of everything that people hate about the hexbear instance. Hope this answer your questions
Nakoichi@hexbear.net 9 months ago
lmao you got that mad about being called a little baby for being a little baby?
Grow thicker skin or learn to self crit ffs.
Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 9 months ago
This is the best they can do
Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 9 months ago
comr@hexbear.net 9 months ago
[deleted]Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 9 months ago
What do you mean “us”?
You joined three weeks ago, we all see that you’re a wrecker.
axont@hexbear.net 9 months ago
Why were you called a fascist? Almost everyone I know on hexbear who uses that term knows what it means and the implications of it. So why were you called that?
PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 9 months ago
cope, seethe, rent free etc
hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 9 months ago
What was the initial disagreement?
Maoo@hexbear.net 9 months ago
Show receipts lol
Nakoichi@hexbear.net 9 months ago
What exactly was the disagreement? The context sort of matters here.
owlinsight@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Seeing your replies, I highly doubt anything anyone could say to you would not warrant a personal attack. You clearly like to think of yourself as someone who’s open and willing to debate since you wrote:
But you’re not. You’re just waiting in bad faith for extra ammunition to call people baby, fascist, or people unworthy of having opinions . You don’t even know my political leanings, but just because I’m not a part of your group, that’s reason enough for you (and other people of that instance) to pile on and mercilessly troll on other users.
I’ll stop interacting with people like you now. I moved to an instance which is defederated from hexbear for a reason, and I’m never been happier of my choice after talking to you and your friends. Have the day you all deserve.
Nakoichi@hexbear.net 9 months ago
Okay but you still didn’t answer what the disagreement was over?