Nah mate, these dogs are fucking disgusting freaks. I’ve been chased by one before - quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck what your research says.
Comment on American bully XL dogs to be banned by end of year - Sunak
Syldon@feddit.uk 9 months agoA total waste of time. Banning breeds has proven to be totally ineffective in the past. The common sense approach would be to make it mandatory to muzzle dogs over a certain size.
Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 9 months ago
Syldon@feddit.uk 9 months ago
My point was that all dogs are dangerous. Selecting breeds shows total lack of understanding. It is how the dog is reared that causes the issues. Since you cannot evaluate that by looking at a dog then it makes more sense to add a safety device for all dogs.
HeartyBeast@kbin.social 9 months ago
Do you have any statistics on deaths by dachshund?
xkillx@kbin.social 9 months ago
Dachshunds can be nasty little assholes.
Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 9 months ago
“how it was reared”
You lost me there. These are breeds with an inherent nature to kill and maim. They’re freaks, mutants, and now thankfully to be banned.
Syldon@feddit.uk 9 months ago
The breed is only a small part of the issue. I have already shown studies that state this in another reply.
lemonflavoured@kbin.social 9 months ago
all dogs are dangerous
Okay, how many deaths are there due to Chihuahua?
Syldon@feddit.uk 9 months ago
Which is why I said above a certain weight.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 9 months ago
All large dogs are POTENTIALLY dangerous.
Some breeds are EXCEPTIONAL at violence once they are triggered to do so.
Training can reduce triggers (to zero?)
A poodle or golden retriever can absolutely hurt and kill, but it would be anomalous beyond expectation that a golden would continue to attack and even feed on a human.
Other breeds, once triggered, enter a state where they disengage from reason, latch, hold and tear. Depending on conditions they will even feed.
PM_me_your_vagina_thanks@kbin.social 9 months ago
Totally not a biased source, with no actual statistics or studies to back them up - ah right. We have much fewer dog attacks and especially fatal dog attacks in the UK than the US.
Syldon@feddit.uk 9 months ago
This report gives the opinions of expert behaviourists and consultants on the reasons why some dogs may be aggressive towards people. Of the 215 experts who responded, some 74% argued that breed was either not at all important or only slightly important, whilst an overwhelming 86% believed it was due to the way that the dog was brought up by its owner.
committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/…/html/
The law on dangerous dogs refers to specific breeds of dog as ‘dangerous’. However, we believe that breed-specific legislation ignores the most important factors that contribute to biting incidents – primarily anti-social behaviour by irresponsible dog owners who train their dogs to be aggressive or do not train their dogs adequately.
…org.uk/…/dangerous-dogs-deed-not-breed/
theguardian.com/…/banning-some-dog-breeds-in-the-… - study in comments
There is a ton of research on the issue.
Blake@feddit.uk 9 months ago
Data were gathered via owner report using an online survey […] advertised online (via Facebook and relevant dog/breed specific groups, Twitter, pet fora, via the UK Kennel Club”
Such science, very wow
Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 9 months ago
Holy fuck lol
blujan@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
Opinions by “experts” are not actual science.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Muzzles aren’t gonna help when the dog escapes
Blake@feddit.uk 9 months ago
There are massive differences between implementing a ban on pit bulls in a single city (Denver) and across an entire nation (the UK). The US is such a mess of federal, state, county, etc. laws that it is difficult to enforce such a law, but in the UK, it’s much easier.
Honestly I’d go a lot further and ban all breeds with significant health issues as well, to be honest.
Syldon@feddit.uk 9 months ago
It is just as difficult and ineffective in the UK. They just breed in new types of dogs. The XL breed is a cross breed with a pit bull terrier which is already on a banned breed list.
I would be for banning breeds with health issues. I would also ban all dog shows that promote dog breed types into the bargain. You will never stop idiots who follow celebrities, but dog shows are an easy fix, and a major reason people buy pedigrees in the first place.
Blake@feddit.uk 9 months ago
Absolutely agree with you about banning dog shows. I am sure that there are valid criticisms of breed specific bans, but the article you linked wasn’t very persuasive at all, it was really clearly biased and had many weak arguments. Of the various claims made, I looked deeper into a few of them and found that the article was quite misleading. For example, it mentions that the Netherlands repealed a pit bull ban, with the implication being that they instead treat all breeds equally… but that’s just not true, because the Netherlands still classified pit bulls as a dangerous breed, and dogs classed as dangerous need to go through state mandated testing or be euthanised, which is a lot more work and much more cruel than the UK’s dangerous dogs legislation.
I’m open to hearing good criticism from a perspective of improving outcomes but surely we can do better than that americentric article
Syldon@feddit.uk 9 months ago
It was just the first google link google returned.
JoBo@feddit.uk 9 months ago
You should probably read the whole article before dismissing it. Easily the most sensible thing I’ve seen written about this.
Blake@feddit.uk 9 months ago
I read the article and responded to several of the points elsewhere (OP posted it twice) - it’s total nonsense, sorry. If you read that and thought it was sensible I would strongly, strongly encourage you to seek out a media literacy course because it is quite overt misinformation
GBU_28@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Also if they actually banned with KOS (which would be terrible for many reasons, but still) then it would work in a us city, but anything where landlords and such are the “gatekeeper” will never work