Comment on Why can't someone create a public alternative to health insurance in the USA?

anonymouse2@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Yep, and it’s not like it’s just cheaper, benefits packages are tied into compensation.

  Say you pay $400, insurance says the real price is $800, and your employer only pays another $200 as a “discount” but the real cost is actually $600.

  Without an employer, you have to pay the whole $800.

  With a co-op you’d pay the actual real cost of $600.

  It needs a critical mass of people.

  And OP doesn’t understand a non profit still has a CEO that can be paid millions. The organization can’t make a profit, but lots of corrupt people make a lot of money running non profits.

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  • kiterios@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    And the more you dig into it, the worse it gets. That price discrepancy exists at the provider level too.

    • You have a health issue and need treatment.
    • The treatment cost the Dr $200 to perform.
    • The list price for the treatment is $500.
    • The big insurer uses the weight of their customer base to negotiate with the Dr and the agree to pay $300 for the treatment. If the doctor doesn’t accept, then they’re out of network and can’t get patients.
    • The plucky startup co-op doesn’t have the same negotiating leverage, so they have to pay $400 for the treatment.
    • The co-op is going to cost more to operate, and now the real monthly cost you have to pay with the co-op is $700 instead of $600.

    And it gets worse.

    This video is a nice little primer about how the insurer might not even pay that $300 they agreed to, how that let’s them profit further on the treatment while creating financial pressure on healthcare providers, and how your Dr may end up being owned by the insurer, further reducing the ability of a new co-op to compete.

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    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Everything with “middle men” is like that.

      Numbers get inflated then discounted.

      It’s why it’s present at every step of capitalism, at every step someone takes a cut, so the price is inflated, then “discounted” to what consumers are willing to pay which is still an insane profit margin.

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• bananaa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  According to this, there are only three co-ops left —down from 23 when the ACA became law.

  healthinsurance.org/…/co-op-health-plans-put-pati…

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• scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Blue Shield of California is a “big corporation” that employers here often contract with for health insurance, and it is a non-profit. Somehow this doesn’t really result in a dramatically different experience.

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