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Did you know that American sign language is not English? Turns out people who only speak sign language actually communicate in English with an accent and with non-native grammar because they literally speak a different language. Perhaps that’s what we’re seeing here. 🤷‍♂️

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echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
ASL and BSL are not compatible. So two deaf people both from english-speaking countries cannot communicate.

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nesc@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Not sure about english specifically, but one of my relatives were in the school for blind and deaf children (or those which are close enough). The problem is they just can’t teach them good enough and every child requires a lot more time that teachers can give. So it requires a lot of time and effort from parents to help them and not every family has resources to do it.

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Psythik@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Yeah it’s more like caveman English. Lunch, for example, translates to “eat noon” in ASL.

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- guillem@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Sorry but that’s like saying that German is caveman English because they say Mittagessen and Mittag means noon and essen means eat.
  
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  - BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Bunch of Neander-natives, it seems to me. /s
    
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captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I can see the bits that could be asl syntax but it’s all over the place. It’s definitely not written asl, but I can see it as decreasing effort in one’s second language to prove a point

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socsa@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Do they not learn to write and read English before they learn ASL?

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- captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  It’s a language with native signers. If you’re born deaf to Deaf parents you grow up signing and you don’t really learn English until it’s time to learn to read. CODAs (children of deaf adults) also often learn sign first because that’s their parents’ language
  
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HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I wonder where “same language, different encoding” turns into “new language”

The morse-derived shorthand used by radio enthusiasts might be similar.

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- captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  It has different syntax. Its not even based on English, it’s descended from French sign language and is wildly different from English as a Signed Language and from British Sign Language.
  
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