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• grandkaiser@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Socialism and communism, in theory, are structured to prioritize the needs of the people over profit or power. The slogan captures that ideal beautifully. However, history shows that the implementation of these systems falls short of their ideals. Issues like bureaucratic inefficiency, corruption, or the consolidation of power within ruling parties have led to systems that still reward the powerful or productive, just in different ways. I’d argue that the challenge isn’t the system itself but the difficulty of designing any system that fully aligns with such principles while addressing the complexities of human behavior and societal needs.

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  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re comparing what corrupt communist leaders do to what capitalism does by design.

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    • grandkaiser@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, that’s what I said

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    • xenspidey@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You mean cronie capitalism. The Fabian Socialist were big into eugenics, remember. Straight capitalism is based on a free and open market. That’s not what anywhere has.

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      • leftytighty@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        “Free and open markets” work in theory, lol.

        Private ownership over the means of production and allowing people to hoard capital will ALWAYS concentrate wealth and will ALWAYS produce an oligarchy.

        You just unironically made a “capitalism hasn’t actually been tried yet” post in a thread where you’re on the “communism and socialism never work” position.

        The irony is delicious

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      • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No one would want to. Letting capitalists run rampant (more so than they already do) would be extremely destructive for any society.

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is there a socialist society that has failed without the US crushing it?

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