Comment on Is it really possible to tax the rich?

• FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  And what exactly is the difference between a loan and a loan acting as income?

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  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Those loans are often several times more than the yearly income and done more frequently.

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    • FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You don’t have to repay income. When you repay the loan should you get the tax back?

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      • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        The loan was used to evade taxes. Those loans on stocks are effectively turning their stocks into gains and should be taxed as such.

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• Windex007@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  How do you establish that a loan is or isn’t “acting as income”?

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  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Those loans are often several times more than the yearly income and done more frequently.

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    • Windex007@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      My mortgage was many times my yearly income.

      So then you just have frequency, which is easily gamed by getting fewer larger loans. Maybe one every three to five years? At that point it really is just a mortgage with stock as collateral rather than a house.

      Like, you’re not wrong in your intuition that the system is problematic. Mine (and others) point is that the devil is in the details, and they’re not trivial.

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      • Nibodhika@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        But then the value goes WAAY up. Let’s assume you live in a very good house, and mortgage it you’re able to get 5 million out of it. Do you think someone like Jeff Bezos could live for 5 years with that?. You can do it fairly straightforward, everytime you take a loan, the full amount of that loan gets added, after a period of 5 years that value disappears, if at any point that value goes above 10 million, you start paying taxes on it. And the higher it goes the more tax you pay on it, just like how income tax has brackets, and just like how up to certain values are exempt.

        For you or me if we were ever loan 10 million over 5 years we wouldn’t have a way to pay it back. For an Uber wealthy they do that fairly quickly, Bezos mention costs 600k a month, so he’ll get into the first bracket from just that in a year and a half.

        People need to realize just how big the gap is, there are plenty of ways to tax extremely rich people without affecting the middle class by just putting the bracket so high up that it’s impossible for a middle class to reach it.

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