No shit no one alive “did anything”*, it’s a euphemism for a part of history, it’s intended to impart a general understanding of the transaction in a brief amount of words that sums up events. It’s not intended to accuse modern people of litteral thieft.
It’s okay insecure white man, no mob is going to come a knocking with a deed to your property. They didn’t have a system of written language and your property didn’t exist.
That said there will still be people alive today who either were involved in the forced separation of Aboriginal children from their parents, and/or whose grandparents and so on were. Samantha Armitages family, and probably Gina Rhineharts… That’s part of the psychology of why some are paranoid on the issue.
Paranoia is by definition an irrational fear. The voice simply isn’t about reparations.
As for the idea it will give some racial groups more power than others - again this isn’t true because it wasn’t just about race. Does nothing for big city Aboriginal people for instance.
It was SPECIFICALLY about people from very remote Aboriginal communities who barely count politically and are unlikely to have any affect or contact with the PM otherwise. People who can’t just mount a protest in a capital city.
So it was about addressing a disadvantage caused by distance, cause by just how large Australia is.
So nah, addressing the unfortune of being a small community that goes ignored isn’t a function of over powering them or risking racial supremacy.
Naryn@lemmy.world 1 month ago
No, it’s not. It’s you actively blaming current Australian people for actions of people who lived generations ago.
Ah yes, and I’m the racist.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I never said you were racist, I joked about Aboriginal people showing up with a deed to your house.
You feeling blamed when I’m saying it’s a historical injustice, not a matter of modern theift, isn’t the same thing as me having blamed you.
I don’t even know you, you’re just some stranger on the Internet.
Pointing out this history of the country is just being honest. The people who can’t handle that are the ones being dishonest.
Anyways, if you need to lie and misrepresent the basic position if discussion, and the terms involved - I think that shows you’re not operating from reason.
So like I was saying, there was no reasonable case mafe by the No campaign during The Voice.
You feeling accused, isn the same as a reason, because reason operates on general and substantial facts, not mischaracterisations and tangential FEELINGS.
It’s normal to have feelings, so sorry you let yours cloud your judgement of the facts. In that particular case (and that alone as far as I can tell) you ARE guilty. Guilty of having a fragility on these issues.
Naryn@lemmy.world 1 month ago
When you say “we stole their land” then yes, it’s not a historical injustice, it’s a modern one.
The history is irrelevant.
Either we are all equal. Or people have more rights based on their ethnicity than others, which is racial superiority, which is exactly what you’re asking for.
That’s because of your political views that see you blame white people for the ills of everything that’s wrong today.
It’s normal to have feelings, so sorry you let yours cloud your reasonable judgement of the actual facts and arguments being made
Christ you’re really on it with the accusations of me being the emotional one when you’re the person who can’t seemingly understand why deciding rights based off of ethnicity is a bad thing.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 month ago
No, your political views see that REGARDLESS of what I say, what links I provide to the Stolden Generations phenomena still being on going, legally quantified and RACIALLY MOTIVATED as recently as the 1970s your still going to pretend I’m claiming your were involved with that, or that all white people, are therefore to blame.
But you probably weren’t involved with it directly… You’re just denying that it would impact modern Aboriginal people and communities still… You’re saying “the victims we’re talking about - shouldn’t feel victimized by being, or having had relatives forcibly taken from their families.”
Your saying “nah, that’s ‘equality’ - they were treated equal.”
You’re preaching cultural ignorance of the impact history has on a people.
You’re being a fuckin Racist, and that’s why YOU voted no. Because you don’t know jack shit about Australia, which is why you’re pushing AMERICAN victimhood culture here.
You’re doing a claim to white victimhood and pretending it’s about all histories being equal. I was willing to talk to you, and give you the benefit of the doubt.
But I guessed right about you from the start when I said people jump to unjustified assertions, and that’s a trend on the right wing (particularly in America)… And now you’ve shown yourself as doing exactly that.
So it turns out, yes I do think you’re a racist now, and I do think the voice was about helping communities of RURAL Aboriginal people have more of a voice (hence the name) would have been a good thing.
I’m not a dishonest coward like you, I can look history and inequality in the face without pretending it’s some attack on “white people” (P.S that’s not a real race or country, there’s no natiin by that name) or a racial take over. Bizzare assumptions you’re hiding behind, just like you’re sweeping racism within living memory under the rug - pretending cultural difference have no modern effects on people.
It’s utterly dishonest bullshit… And yeah, I’m not going to spend my time talking to scum like you.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Like imagine for a sec, being a little boy in the 70s and seeing this on the nightly news:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMaRuk6pGOc
…and you’re going to pretend some people don’t have a harder cultural background to come from, or weren’t living under the threat of castration for being a different colour. You’re doing white-victimhood, and denial of racism. Grow the fuck up, and learn about your country dumb ass.