Comment on Eat lead

• merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  If we assume that god, by definition, must be omniscient

  Why must that be true by definition? Many of the Greek gods were clearly not omniscient, because the stories about them all involve intrigues and hiding things from each-other.

  Also, you can’t disprove a god’s existence by making a logic puzzle that’s hard for you to puzzle out. Just because it’s a toughie for you doesn’t mean that it disproves the existence of gods.

  That isn’t even a particularly difficult logic puzzle.

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  • jlou@mastodon.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Self-referential paradoxes are at the heart of limitative results in mathematical logic on what is provable, so it seems plausible a similar self-referential statement rules out omniscience.

    Greek gods are gods in a different sense than the monotheistic conception of god that is omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent. Sure, so the argument I give only applies to the latter sense.

    @science_memes

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That’s not a paradox though, it’s a silly logic puzzle that isn’t hard to solve. It doesn’t prove or disprove anything about omniscience or gods.

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    • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Man I don’t know if I’ll ever get over seeing Mastodon toots on Lemmy and all of the other wild cross-fediverse fun the Fediverse enables

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      • Backlog3231@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I didn’t notice until you said something. Wild.

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• howrar@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  This sentence is not known to be true by any omniscient being.

  I don’t understand how this disproves the existence of an omniscient being. What if I said “This sentence is not known to be true by any logical being.” Is my existence disproven now?

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  • jlou@mastodon.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Being logical doesn't imply knowing every true sentence.

    Also, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knower_paradox

    @science_memes

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    • howrar@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Logical meaning having the ability to follow logical roles to determine whether or not any statement is true or false. I’ve followed that train or logic and determined that the sentence you provided is neither true nor false. I’ve determined that it is paradoxical. Why would an omniscient being be unable to know that this is a paradox?

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