It’s a much higher mortality rate than the average event. More people died at this event then most events.
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Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months agoOP: One person died! It’s a tragedy!
Turns out that’s a better mortality rate than outside the event, not much of a tragedy, more of them would have died if they hadn’t went to the event!
Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
One event with 70k in attendance lasting a whole week with the same people in attendance all week and they can’t leave. There aren’t many events that can be compared to it and the fact that it takes place during an event doesn’t matter for this comparison as we’re trying to see how many of these people would have died if the event hadn’t taken place at all.
Heck it could be considered good for the organizers, they should have had many deaths by that point considering the average mortality rate of the people present, they only had one!
WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
LOL you’re really running with this line of thinking. Might people who plan to go to a week-long strenuous event in the desert lead to a sample that has some selection bias? For instance, selecting out the entirety of the demographic that is currently hospitalized, currently debilitating ill?
In which cause you should compare mortality rates with another group like that. Not the entire rest of the age demographic (which has all those sick people you selected out).
I don’t really care either way, just found this argument kind of hilarious.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
You’ve got people of all ages there and the average death per year at burning man seems to be pretty close to one, some years even had three, some years had multiple suicides, some years had people die outside the premise from things that happened at the event…
Again, nothing unusual about one person dying out of a crowd 70k during a week. You can be in the best shape of your life and die of aneurysm!
Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 9 months ago
the fact that it takes place during an event doesn’t matter for this comparison as we’re trying to see how many of these people would have died if the event hadn’t taken place at all.
Then you must be ignoring information to show the truth that you want the data to show. Events need to abide by strict OH&S guidelines. If an injury or death occurs due to the negligence of the event planners, they need to be held accountable. This means that a death at an event should be compared to other events because day-to-day life isn’t governed by OH&S.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
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The truth that I want? It’s the simple statistical truth, I’m not doing any interpretation! The fact that it takes place during an event doesn’t change the fact that the death rate of the population there is lower than it is in the general population so statistically speaking if these people didn’t go more than one would have died just living there everyday lives instead of partying in the desert.
Want me to do interpretation? You’re putting 70k persons in the middle of the desert in the US with tons of drugs, OSHA or not, death at burning man happens and it’s too be expected and considering the number of people in the place, the length of the event, what people do there and the country it’s taking place in, it’s surprising there isn’t more every year.
This year’s is not the first and unless the event stops, it’s not the last
salon.com/…/deaths-sexual-assault-and-art-controv…
edm.com/news/burning-man-2022-arrests-death
journal.burningman.org/…/we-lost-spoono-today/
No cause of death has been released for this year’s deceased, it might as well be a suicide, what could OSHA do about that exactly?
Heck, it’s written on the fucking tickets that death rarely happen (implying they do) but injuries often do!
cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 9 months ago
I saw a long post about this on tumblr and they were saying something like, one person dies a year on the playa at burning man so we shouldn’t feel sorry for the one person who died this year.
So dehumanizing. I was reading that whole post in awe of how fucking empty some people are inside. Like holy shit that’s cruel.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
It sucks for them but if you’re not losing sleep for the tens of thousands that die of starvation each year then I don’t know why you should feel bad for someone who intentionally went to a festival in the middle of the desert and died of something (we don’t know what) during their trip.
Niggling__Niggard@lemmy.world 9 months ago
[deleted]Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You could just pledge to save lives instead…
syllabic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Outside the event includes people in their 90s dying of old age in hospitals
Generally the demographic that attends burning man skews younger which is inherently less likely to die
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
I included a link to the real stats and just with people up to their 40s the mortality rate is high enough that you would expect more people to die during that week.