who builds the housing, trees?
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Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 months agoWhere do immigrants live in trees?
Oh course its going to increase any housing shortage.
There is a lot of problems with immigration. Immigration as a whole is different to certain immigration. If you break it down certain countries, certain jobs and certain education levels can cause a net drain on a country.
That’s not to say all immigration is bad. But to think all immigration under any circumstance is good is just a signs of being brainwashed by their side and refusing to look at anything that goes against their view.
match@pawb.social 2 months ago
Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Locals primarily.
match@pawb.social 2 months ago
sure, but if immigrants comprose 2% of the population and make up 5% of the housing workforce, they’re still a net gain for housing
Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 months ago
No. That’s poor maths, you’re comparing two entirely different things. This is why so so so many of the arguments and facts about immigration are in poor faith. People massively oversimplify.
bunkyprewster@startrek.website 2 months ago
All the houses where I live are being built by immigrants.
Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 months ago
How many new houses are built by immigrants and how many immigrants are their?
They could built all the houses but absolute numbers matter not percentages.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The problem with housing is not the demand. Housing is a necessity. Blaming a supply problem on demand does not make sense. The issue is with supply. I’m addition to the points I made earlier about making housing more affordable and available, workers are needed to build new housing. More job programs are the answer to that, not restricting immigration.
Immigrants across the board improve the economy and put more into welfare than they take out. So no, they are not a drain on the economy in any respect.
Please, share the negative effects of immigration. Because it isn’t crime either. Immigrants are responsible for less crime per capita than US citizens. And the vast majority of drug trafficking is done by US citizens.
Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 months ago
So how many people want to live in Manhattan? Bringing in more people will solve the housing issue?
Well we can agree on half of that.
This is the crux of it. This is the big lie here that is never backed up.
Break down immigration by country of origin, education, even income. Look at the results on lower classes and up classes, look at the affect on housing and jobs. It will not be an improvement across the board for all those things.
But I would love, love, love to see that data. But whenever it is shown it never shows what you claim it does.
For every group?
Overall I 100% agree with you. That’s what I would expect.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The ‘Big Lie’ is that Immigrants are bringing crime & drugs across the border, that they negatively impact the economy, and that they take away jobs from & lower wages of US Citizens. These are fabrications not based on any evidence and what the Republican party has run for for years. This is a nativist sentiment.
There is plenty of evidence that disprove those sentiments.
Economic Impact
Myth : Immigrants are a drain on the U.S. Economy and Reducing Immigration would make our economy stronger. Fact : The United States needs immigrants to stay competitive and drive economic growth, Particularly as our economy starts to reopen, individuals who create jobs are absolutely critical to our recovery. Immigrants are innovators, job creators, and consumers with an enormous spending power that drives our economy, and creates employment opportunities for all Americans. Immigrants added $2 trillion to the U.S. GDP in 2016 and $458.7 billion to state, local, and federal taxes in 2018. In 2018, after immigrants spent billions of dollars on state and local, and federal taxes, they were left with $1.2 trillion in spending power, which they used to purchase goods and services, stimulating local business activity. Proposed cuts to our legal immigration system would have devastating effects on our economy, decreasing GDP by 2% over twenty years, shrinking growth by 12.5%, and cutting 4.6 million jobs. Rust Belt states would be hit particularly hard, as they rely on immigration to stabilize their populations and revive their economies.
Taxes and Essential Services
Myth : Immigrants are a burden to essential services like schools, hospitals, and highways. Fact: Immigrants make significant contributions to our economy on virtually every front - including on tax revenue, where they contribute $458.7 billion to state, local, and federal taxes in 2018. This includes undocumented immigrants, who contribute roughly $11.74 billion a year in state and local taxes, including more than $7 billion in sales and excise taxes, $3.6 billion in property taxes, and $1.1 billion in personal income taxes. These billions of tax dollars fund our schools, hospitals, emergency response services, highways, and other essential services. These revenues would increase by $2.18 billion annually if undocumented immigrants were given legal status as part of an immigration reform package. Additionally, immigrants make enormous contributions to Social Security. If current legal immigration levels were cut by 50%, the Social Security fund would lose $1.5 trillion in revenue over the next 75 years.
IRI
> There are 45 million immigrants living in the United States. Making up 14 percent of the national population, immigrants are a vital part of the social, economic, and cultural life of all American communities. > The economic role of immigrants has frequently been misunderstood. On the one hand, immigrants are a big and important part of the economy. And, on the other hand, immigrants are disproportionately concentrated in low-wage jobs. Both things are true at the same time.
Other sources:
Facts About Immigration and the U.S. Economy - EPI
How migration affects housing affordability - The Conversation
A dozen facts about immigration - Brookings
Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 months ago
You just dropped a load of shit without explaining it.
But glancing at it it looks EXACTLY like the point I was making.
Generals and averages I agree immigration can be made to look good. When you go into the details things change. Where does it look at country of origin? Where does it show contributions over life rather than just prime age? Where do you see intergenerational affects? Where does it talk about training instead of filling gaps with foreigners ? Where does it talk about all these effects of different earning percentiles of the population?
When every people go into that level of details things look different.
Plus it doesn’t all come down to money