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FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 months agoit’s a profession that gives a position of authority over others; and specifically over people who are quite vulnerable.
You may not have met them, but there are teachers that are psychopaths. Many of those teachers who are also psychopaths might also come off as quite lovely, too.
Organichedgehog@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I feel like maybe you don’t know any teachers. The fact that you lumped them in with politicians, ceos, and police is, quite frankly, batshit insane
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 months ago
So… you’re response to “hey, you may not know any, but there are evil teachers out there,” is … to call me a liar? to call me batshit crazy?
Interesting.
Lets get the simple thing out of the way first.
I said:
and you think that statement is “batshit crazy”.
If you look at the list, excepting librarians, every single one of those careers provides people with authority over others, many of whom are vulnerable for one reason or another; and some amount of disciplinary or punitive powers. Are you saying that teachers don’t have a significant amount of authority over students? that they don’t have disciplinary powers over students (even if it’s highly regulated,)
Consider how many teachers you know, and how many teachers there are. A quick websearch says that there’s about 3.2 million public school teachers in the US, at an average ratio of about 15 students per teacher. Are you really going to tell me, in your morally superior screed, that I’m bat shit crazy for assuming that some of those teachers are in fact psychopaths? or sociopaths? or people who display tendencies attributed to such?
but as to your assertion that I don’t know any teachers. I sit in on school board meetings when ever I have the chance- I can usually make about half of them, maybe a bit less. many of the meetings are of the general ‘we’d like to hear from the public’; or are of specific things (like responding to particular incidents that happened in the school, etc…) Some of the stuff that has been said by teachers; either as what passes for testimony, or during what’s basically an open mic:
And that’s all just in the few years I’ve made a concerted effort to be in there, and just what I remember.
Maybe my school district is the odd one out. But I rather doubt that very much.
Organichedgehog@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Did you even read my comment before posting 9 paragraphs? I didn’t say it was batshit insane to claim that there are sociopathic teachers. I said it was batshit insane to compare the rates of sociopathy in teachers to the rates among politicians, ceo’s, and police. Which it is.
Huckledebuck@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I apologize for starting this discussion, but it is quite interesting.
I feel i must add my anecdotal testimony. I’ve gotten the opportunity to teach high school for a few years, my mom was a grade school teacher her entire career, and my grandparents owned a preschool when i was a kid. So I have gotten to know a lot of teachers from every level of education. I also spent far too many years earning my degree while transferring amongst 3 different schools.
I can’t say that i have encountered a single teacher that really concerns me of being a psychopath. I am not a psychologist, and I’m sure it can be well hidden. But in my experience, teachers only become teachers because they really care and want to help other people.
Regardless, this discussion is purely hypothetical. Unless we want to start a national registry for psychopaths/sociopaths.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You’ve clearly not read any of mine.
This is now the third time that I’ve explained why people are “lumped in” on that list. And that is that everyone on that list exerts control, or strong influence over other people. (Cops and politicians, the general public. CEO’s their employees, and the public that interacts with their company or is impacted by it, Teachers… their students.)
That is the thread which lumps them together. Having that authority over others is possibly what attracts psychopaths/sociopaths/NPD types to jobs like being a cop, being a politician, or pastor or CEO. Or, possibly, yes, being a teacher.
You’ll also notice, that that list of careers only really includes the sorts of jobs that are- or have historically been- viewed in a positive light. As honorable, or ‘pillars of the community’. I’m guessing you would generally describe teachers as “selfless” and “caring”, maybe even “highly empathic”; but, uhm. not to put too fine a point on it, before his arrest Dennis Rader would have been described exactly as that. he was a Church President, a Boy Scout Leader, and an AF vet. Of the people that knew him, it was almost impossible to believe that Dennis Rader was the BTK killer.
So yes. I would be very interested to see a study that looks at teachers and how many are psychopaths; as well as everyone else on that list. I’m going to assume teachers fall somewhere above a baseline of the rest of the population; and somewhere below the other professions on the list. I suggested Librarians as a sort of control group, because they also happen to be a career path that people look at as largely positive or honorable; but lacks any real authority over others.