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helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I apologies, that question was certainly poorly thought out and too aggressive. I’m purposely challenging our differences, and I did push too far with that one, being that the answer is obvious. We’re definitely going too far into this on a stars wars meme (suprised the thread hasn’t been nuked yet), but I shall continue the discourse.

My point is that legally speaking, whites and blacks have equal rights and the same opportunities available. In fact, we’re creating all kinds of aid systems specifically to help them. So what I’m trying to pry at, is to find what in the current system is failing them.

Another point I’ve been pressing, is that skin color alone should not be the basis for aid. If some one needs help, help them. No need to ask about race, sex, ancenstory, religion, hair color, etc. - just help them.

Yes our nation’s ancestors have treated blacks beyond horribly, the more recent ones have begun to right that. Unfortuanly it is an extremely slow process to beat the predjuduce out of a few hundred million people. Considering the progress over the last 200 years, massive improvements have been made, with alot of it made in the past 60. It now up to us, the current generation to continue the progress foward. However, many black families are still stuck where they were in the 1970s. Clearly the current systems are not helping, despite all the aid given to them.

It is my opion, they are being helped in a way that doesn’t encourage actaully finical independance. This could be part of why they’re still lagging so far behind some other miniorties, such as Asians. I went into it a few comments ago, but its basically “why work harder for less, when I can live off government aid.” Asian/European immegreants didn’t have the same aid, and 80 years later they are among the most successful groups, or at least average.

To me it’s like we’re saying “here have just enough money so you’ll shut up and stay where you are. If you save up good, maybe your grandkids can go to collage - which is what we are seeing now. (By the way don’t get sick or your whole savings will disappear).”

If our government really wanted to help, they’d fund the schools, clear out the gangs, help people fix up their homes so maybe they sell for good price, tear down all the condemed buildings to build better community housing or something for jobs. And lastly, to bring us back my original scolorship comment, fix the fucked up student loan system that fucks over all american equally).

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michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

whites and blacks have equal rights and the same opportunities available

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skin color alone should not be the basis for aid. If some one needs help, help them.

There is actually a lot more extra help granted to white people especially the well off than will ever go to black people. There is a higher proportion of white people in Harvard now who wouldn’t have made it purely on merit than any other race. In a less shitty environment maybe being colorblind would actually make sense. In actuality it decreases fairness.

Clearly the current systems are not helping, despite all the aid given to them.

The actual aid that is available to families is largely a joke

why work harder for less, when I can live off government aid

You actually largely can’t you would end up living with the hobos on the cardboard if you without any disability decided not to bust your fucking ass.

Asian/Ellis Island era European immigrants didn’t have the same aid, and 80 years later Asians are among the most successful groups, or at least average.

80 years ago isn’t today. 80 years ago jobs that paid 50k didn’t require 100K in debt while houses cost $400k.

You are basically a KKK member without a hood.

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- helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
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  You took this out of context and have yet to provide a single example. I said by law we all have equal rights and opportunities. In reality, that is obviously not the case, but not do to laws.
  
  There is actually a lot more extra help granted to white people especially the well off than will ever go to black people. Where the fuck is my extra help? The well off createed the systems to keep them well off, and the rest of us get to stay poor. Unless you can change that, we’re all fucked.
  
  There is a higher proportion of white people in Harvard now who wouldn’t have made it purely on merit than any other race.
  
  I’d like to compare that to the number of rejected black students as well. Looking at Harvard’s site, the number of black students accepted to Harvard is sigifinatly less than white students. Partially due to the fact theres a significantly higher white population in the nation, unless that difference goes away, statiscally we will never see an equal amount of white people and black people in the same “space”. I wasn’t able to find the diversity statitics for applications, I’d love to see how that compares to the admitted students. I won’t fault Harvard if more whites get in because that’s how numbers work. To be clear, that’s from a purly statistical point of view. If anyone gets accepted/rejected specficaly because of their skin color, that’s is a problem.
  
  You actually largely can’t you would end up living with the hobos on the cardboard if you without any disability decided not to bust your fucking ass. / 80 years ago jobs that paid 50k didn’t require 100K in debt while houses cost $400k.
  
  We all bust our asses and people still can’t go to collage without loans or buy a house, that’s not a race specific issue.
  
  You are basically a KKK member without a hood.
  
  Why would you make light of the atrocities made by the KKK? The KKK were murdering blacks out of pure hatred. Not once in any of my comments did I suggest any kind of violence. If your arguments reduce into insane accusations, how am I supposed to take anything you say seriously?
  
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