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Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 months agoYou seem to only blame one person, and my entire point somehow went right over your head (and quite a few peoples heads to be fair).
You seem to think I’m defending trump. Or normalizing his behavior. I’m not. I’m saying to try to understand someones behaviors, you have to see things from their perspective. If you can understand other people from their perspective, even if you don’t agree with it, you can begin to understand that persons actions.
Also if you only blame one person in a situation, you’ll always be wrong. There’s no such thing as a situation caused by multiple people that don’t have multiple people at blame.
In your example, yes I would blame the old guy, the parents, and the girl. Just not in equal amounts. No one talks about why the old guy is responsible for his share of the blame, because that much is obvious. If a tsunami hit Miami, and destroyed lots of buildings, you wouldn’t say “You know what did the damage? The water. I blame the water.” No, you’d blame city planners, and government officials for not executing a plan decades prior to build flood barriers, and design the city in a way that deals with hurricanes. We know what the natural disasters are going to do. We can plan around the disasters. But if we fail to do so, we don’t blame the hurricanes and tsunamis. We blame the people who failed to do anything about the tsunamis and hurricanes. Knowing they’re coming. Yes, we all know the disasters are to blame, but that much is so obvious that it doesn’t need to be said.
Cock_Inspecting_Asexual@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Im not blaming one person. I’m blaming this whole ass country for falling into the way that it did. But your victim blaming is disgusting as fuck, and you write as though we should feel sympathy for a man that is basically the villain. This man alone has done far more harm than the random hooker he wanted to fuck. I see things from a lot of perspective. But I’m not about to put an equal amount of blame on the possibly trafficked Sex worker like I would the Billionaire who’s friends with a child rapist. Sure some of that could be her fault, but it takes a bigger person to just fucking say NO. Trump has virtually no excuse, as do the other people that do this. The anonymous Sex workers probably wouldn’t be doing what their doing if that had an actual shot at life, at doing something they truly enjoyed. Its naive to think that any woman that “wants” to have sex with trump truly wants it or just wants their money. If we’re gonna play your game of “well think about it from all perspectives” then I want you to really put on your thinking cap. Just why in the flying fuck would a grown woman, a sex worker, WANT to have sex with someone as psychically revolting as Trump. And better yet keep her name anonymous after she does it.
I dont express empathy or Sympathy for RICH people; the same people who have all the recourses in the world; that do deplorable shit and then refuse to learn from doing said deplorable shit. I would have sympathy if he LEARNED, but he doesn’t. So nah I’m not gonna give him any kind of benefit of the doubt.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You still don’t get it. You’re still approaching this as if I’m sympathizing with trump. You’re acting as if I’m defending him. And as long as you continue to approach this conversion with that mindset, after I’ve explained three times it’s not about blame or sympathy, it’s about understanding the world around you by understanding the people at play and why they do what they do.
If you aren’t willing to seperate yourself from your own perspective, then you’re never going to get what I’m saying. It’s not just trump. Take whomever you think is the worst person in history. Now defend their actions. If you’re unable to defend the people whom you consider to be the most vile on the planet, then you do not understand their perspective. You don’t have to agree with it, but if you can’t logically defend them, then you’re either inserting your own perspective into their perspective, or you’re trying to approach things from an emotional level. I could defend hitler. I could defend ghengis khan. I could defend bill cosby. Doesn’t mean I agree with any of them, but if you try to see their perspective, you can UNDERSTAND them.
It’s never about sympathy. It’s always about perspective and understanding. Then extracting information out of that perspective to gain new insight to the world around you.
But if you’re not willing to do that, then we’re having two seperate conversations, and I see no point in me continueing. Because I’ve explained the concept several times, and at this point it’s less of a conversation, and more of an arguement, in which both sides are approaching the arguement from completely unrelated perspectives and will never have a resolution.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You still don’t get it. You’re still approaching this as if I’m sympathizing with trump. You’re acting as if I’m defending him. And as long as you continue to approach this conversion with that mindset, after I’ve explained three times it’s not about blame or sympathy, it’s about understanding the world around you by understanding the people at play and why they do what they do.
If you aren’t willing to seperate yourself from your own perspective, then you’re never going to get what I’m saying. It’s not just trump. Take whomever you think is the worst person in history. Now defend their actions. If you’re unable to defend the people whom you consider to be the most vile on the planet, then you do not understand their perspective. You don’t have to agree with it, but if you can’t logically defend them, then you’re either inserting your own perspective into their perspective, or you’re trying to approach things from an emotional level. I could defend hitler. I could defend ghengis khan. I could defend bill cosby. Doesn’t mean I agree with any of them, but if you try to see their perspective, you can UNDERSTAND them.
It’s never about sympathy. It’s always about perspective and understanding. Then extracting information out of that perspective to gain new insight to the world around you.
But if you’re not willing to do that, then we’re having two seperate conversations, and I see no point in me continueing. Because I’ve explained the concept several times, and at this point it’s less of a conversation, and more of an arguement, in which both sides are approaching the arguement from completely unrelated perspectives and will never have a resolution.
Cock_Inspecting_Asexual@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I understand the perspective dude, but what you don’t understand is that trying to suggest this perspective can lead to sympathy or an excusing if his behavior. American citizens are fairly dense, a large majority of people will read this post and get the same ideas that a large amount of everyone else here got, but without the part of “Im not sympathizing with him”
Its understandable how he could think the way that he does, but regardless I feel nothing for him, even if it is tragic he turned out this way.