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Comment on Lemmings who downvote news posts because you disagree with the conclusions, why?

brewbellyblueberry@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

I see the whole system as kind of flawed, like. If I think some topic or post is total bullshit and frankly, wrong, I’m supposed to comment to disagree with it, driving it further up in activity. So let’s imagine a platform where everyone uses the system “how they’re supposed to” and there’s a post about blatant bullshit, supporting nazi ideology or some shit like that and it’s dressed in the clothes of a well-mannered, discussion provoking post, and it gets a billion comments all disagreeing and it gets to the most active posts just because of this. When if it was downvoted, it’d just be more ignored the more people disagree with it.

I get the intention behind the reasoning for it, but it just doesn’t work like that, because the whole system is flawed. The most active posts would be filled with thinly veiled and not so thinly veiled, even clever, ragebait and bullshit.

As much as I hate to see “tHe hIvEmInD” and brigaders to flood posts and comments with actual, relevant conversation and takes, with this system we’re just gonna have to deal with it I guess.

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xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If a Nazi expresses their opinion in a civil manner and lots of other people express why they disagree with it, then… what exactly is the problem with the post getting attention?

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- brewbellyblueberry@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Why give a nazi the stage? Why raise their opinions there? The points are and have been expressed in a civil manner for at least a century.
  
  “If a holocaust denialist expresses their opinion in a civil manner why not give their point of view more attention”
  
  “If a pedophile expresses their opinion in a civil manner why not give their point of view more attention”
  
  “If a rapist expresses their opinion in a civil manner why not give their point of view more attention”
  
  “If a misogynist/misandrist expresses their opinion in a civil manner why not give their point of view attention”
  
  If this is seriously an issue you have a dilemma with I have nothing further to say to you.
  
  These kinds of points of view get enough attention as it is. No one needs to give them any more.
  
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  - xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Because if you use force to suppress people’s opinions instead of rationally arguing with them, it gives the impression that they may have a good point.
    
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    BrokebackHampton@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Nope. Popper's Paradox of Tolerance.
    
    You'll have to excuse the lack of elaboration but I'm kinda done of repeating myself when it comes to this topic.
    
    You should ditch all qualms about keeping the moral high ground over nazis. They don't give a fuck, and neither should you.
    
    Come on, don't make me ~~tap the sign~~ post the Sartre quote, you know, the one that goes:
    
    Never believe that anti‐ Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti‐Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.
    
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    brewbellyblueberry@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Not giving someone a platform on a stage is hardly using force to suppress people’s opinions. Go parade nazism elsewhere.
    
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