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Comment on My thoughts on Hexbear. Posting as the megathread was locked.

I applaud OP for the the citations and research. I appreciate his linking to the UNHRC report, but nowhere in that report does it mention “genocide”. I’d honestly like people to compare it to multiple UNHRC reports on US treatment of its black population.

I’m no expert, maybe China is taking an overly heavy hand in Xinjiang. But to call it a genocide when no evidence exists for mass killing, and when the US war on terror lead to 5 million actual deaths, is absurd projection and and diminishes the value of the word “genocide”.

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randint@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Thanks. I am aware of the George Floyd incident and the numerous others African-Americans killed for no good reason.

Yes, in hindsight, calling that genocide with no real evidence of direct killing is a bit too much. But the report I linked to mentioned coercive birth control and internment or imprisonment for violations of the family planning policy (page 35). While that indeed is not genocide per se, it does seem to bring what China is doing one step toward that direction.

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- ButtBidet@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  Yes, in hindsight, calling that genocide with no real evidence of direct killing is a bit too much.
  
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  But the report I linked to mentioned coercive birth control and internment or imprisonment for violations of the family planning policy (page 35).
  
  Your interpretation is much stronger than the report: ‘but remained “seriously concerned about reported instances of the use of coercive measures, including forced abortion and forced sterilization, with a view to limiting births”’. I’m not even saying that it isn’t happening. But if it was a massive problem, you’d think there’d be more than reports. There are mobile phones and foreign tourists in Xinjiang, it’s not like the government would be able to forcibly abort 10% of babies there without someone taking a smartphone video of the abortion police coming to their home.
  
  I’m reminded that forced sterilisation of minorities in the US is a known fact.
  
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  - space_comrade@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    I’m reminded that forced sterilisation of minorities in the US is a known fact.
    
    [en.wikipedia.org/…/Compulsory_sterilization_in_Ca…](Don’t forget Canada!)
    
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    GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Thanks, I was completely unaware of this and I’ve seen a lot of documentation of NA atrocities.
    
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- booty@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Genocide doesn’t have to involve any direct killing. The problem isn’t that you fail to produce evidence of killing, it’s that you fail to produce any evidence of genocide at all.
  
  Why is it that no muslim country in the world agrees with your assessment of this “genocide?” Why is it that the country which, in the 2010s, was dropping bombs on Uyghurs is now their greatest advocate? Doesn’t that sound a little fishy to you? Could it be that this is a lie fabricated to weaken the greatest enemy of the US? No, couldn’t possibly be. Back to believing everything US news says.
  
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