Comment on Daily Discussion Thread: š¢š”š¢ Tuesday, September 10, 2024
Baku@aussie.zone āØ1ā© āØmonthā© agoIndeed. More info here, and here
The event guide says the opening ceremony starts at 7, so PT is probably just going to be fucked
Personal opinion: I really donāt like the fact theyāre hosting a weapons expo here. I donāt even really understand why anyone would host something like that in Australia at all. We are exactly the most linked in country in the world. The cynical part of me reckons that they chose us because we have a smaller population than other countries, and we are besties with America. So I think itās good that so many people are protesting
Iām thinking about going primarily because I find chaos funny, and theyāve pulled almost 2,000 cops whoāll probably all be head to toe in riot gear from both rural areas around the state, and according to the guardian, even cops from interstate have been called down
TheWitchofThornbury@aussie.zone āØ1ā© āØmonthā© ago
Please donāt go Baku. This has the potential to get out of control. I think the organisers have seriously misread Australiaās reputation as being laid back anti-protest people for the most part. Granted that the post-Port Arthur buyback means that nearly all the gun-toting people here are licensed, identifiable and mostly live up the country, but thereās a huge groundswell of people who really really REALLY donāt like guns and gun culture.
Never underestimate the destructive power of the so-called non-violent people. They usually donāt have many stop triggers - have you read Konrad Lorenzās research back before WWII about what happened when he confined two nice gentle pigeons in a cage? Its brutal.
Lorenz was making the point that wolves and other social āaggressiveā species have stop triggers for aggression - if two individuals are in conflict they have ways of defusing violence and avoiding personal harm.
The pigeons do not - their usual species specific reaction to aggression is to fly away, so when confined in the cage one pecks the other to death and keeps on pecking until the dead pigeon is a bloody splat on the cage floor. Because the pigeons donāt have any practiced or instinctual way to stop being violent. So the violence continues long past any possible definition of āwinningā.
Lorenzās work and books have been questioned a lot since he did it, but in this specific area, I think he was dead on the money. My gut instinct for this event to avoid it at all costs. Protests are not a spectator sport.
Seagoon_@aussie.zone āØ1ā© āØmonthā© ago
I accidently walked thru a protest last year.
A bloke near me yelled out āKill Themā. And I believe he meant it. I was chilled and got out of there as fast as I could.
Duenan@aussie.zone āØ1ā© āØmonthā© ago
Iām glad I donāt work near protest sites. Most of them seem unruly and even worse if two opposing sides clash.
I can really see that happening tomorrow when the pro gun people turn up.
TheWitchofThornbury@aussie.zone āØ1ā© āØmonthā© ago
Yep. Fully understand. I did protest publicly during the Franklin campaign way back when, but some of what I saw then chilled me too. And Iām fairly OK with my own personal triggers - I know when I have to back off and keep my cool. I fear those people who get whipped up into a frenzy and lose what little brains they once possessed. Because then there are NO limits to what they will do.
Baku@aussie.zone āØ1ā© āØmonthā© ago
I should clarify that Iām not going to join the protest, Iām not really a protester and I definitely envisage police violence (whether or not ājustifiedā), and I donāt want to end up with 10 broken ribs, but what do guns have to do with anything? Are the gun nuts coming to counter protest or something? Also, you can group me in with the people who despise guns and gun culture.
Also, I donāt really agree with your assessment that non-violent people do not have many āstop triggersā. I donāt think violence will come from the vast majority of people. Thereās always a few idiots, but in my experience, peaceful protests usually turn violent only after people from both sides heighten each other up, until it turns physical. Then that causes a Domino effect where other people see unjustified violence and try to jump in to defend their people. But itās certainly not the majority of people. I donāt see it as much different from other large gatherings or events.
TheWitchofThornbury@aussie.zone āØ1ā© āØmonthā© ago
Nothing wrong with observing from a safe place. Disagree about the majority of people, though. I think we all have the potential.