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There’s definitely some users there who go too far in their support for other imperialist superpowers like Russia and China.

Because if America bad Russia and China good is an easy train of thought. Imperialism bad is a more difficult pill to accept.

But users there moreso question whether certain atrocities happened. They’re not saying ‘yeah the CCP is currently Genociding Uyghurs in concentration camps. but you have to vote for Xi Jingping to save Democracy’.

Occasionally I do find they have a point in the West exaggerating others crimes. I mostly started noticing this after Hamas supposedly beheaded 40 babies in ovens which our media blasted as fact without questioning it. Though other times there is usually a base of truth which is undeniable.

But admitting that your side is doing Genocide and still advocating for them comes off as far more insane to me than denying their crimes.

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carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

their support for other imperialist superpowers like Russia and China

I wonder what definition of imperialism you’re using. China doesn’t have a financial capitalist class which influences it’s government to seek foreign markets (i.e. overthrow foreign governments to privatize their state assets for the financial capitalist class to buy up)

Because if America bad Russia and China good is an easy train of thought.

It may seem to lib outside observers like that

But users there moreso question whether certain atrocities happened. They’re not saying ‘yeah the CCP is currently Genociding Uyghurs in concentration camps. but you have to vote for Xi Jingping to save Democracy’.

Tell me you haven’t lurked there without having told me you having lurked there and talking out of your ass.

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- Linkerbaan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  China most definitely has billionaires in cahoots with the government. Evergrande is a great example of this. Asianometry did a great video on how deep it goes with receipts.
  
  I’ve had two discussions with ml users about the Uyghur camps which were not able to address the base of my concerns. While they are definitely very exaggerated in size, the notion that they don’t exist seems unfounded.
  
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  - carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    China most definitely has billionaires in cahoots with the government
    
    Imperialism is when billionaires. The more billionaires you have the imperialister it is
    
    Also redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
    
    I’ve had two discussions with users about the Uyghur camps which were not able to address the base of my concerns.
    
    Sounds like you were concern trolling, because the burden of proof is on the accuser
    
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    Linkerbaan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Your statement about China not having a financialist capital class seemed slightly out of touch so I provided you with examples of some Chinese capital class. Communism is when not billionaires. The more Billionaires you have to less communism it is.
    
    As for the imperialism I only hear the same argument as for Western imperialism: someone drew lines on a map 200 years ago and it said Xinjiang and Tibet were part of China. So despite them speaking a different language it’s now 100% ours for rizzle.
    
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