Comment on Seconds

• absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  A J = Ns not N/s

  One Joule of energy is one Newton of force applied for 1 second.

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  • zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Muphry’s law at work - for both of us, actually. I looked it up (since with Ns the units no longer worked out between E = mc² and F = ma), and a joule is actually a Nm, a Newton-meter. And with that the units do work out correctly on both equations.

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    • absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That is really unintuative, torque is Nm…how can energy also be Nm.

      But then I look at it and J = Ws = N(m/s)s = Nm

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      • theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Because you can do kinematics two ways. You can look at it by speed*mass, or by energy - in both cases it quickly gets way more complicated when you move beyond spherical cows in a vacuum, but both are equally valid. There’s trade-offs to each approach, but the answer should end up the same

        Just like how you can say a rod from God or an asteroid impact is x kilotons of explosives, you’re looking at the energy being scattered on impact. If you set your reference frame to Earth, you only have to look at the relative speed and mass of the other object and you get a reasonable estimate. You could also factor in how much the earth moves from the impact, factor in how much the atmosphere, water, and soil “soften the blow”, you could theoretically look at how the movement of other celestial bodies gently tugs at both as they impact, the resistance of the materials moving through the earth’s (and sun’s) magnetic field, and endless other factors

        Ultimately, models are extreme simplifications, as are measurements. The universe doesn’t care about units or numbers, the universe works on ratios. Numbers aren’t real - they’re a mental shortcut. Something exists or it doesn’t, there isn’t two of anyone as far as reality is concerned. Our universe cannot be compressed beyond itself without losing information

        You probably don’t care about how much torque your car has on Io, but reality does. 10k tons of TNT is not remotely going to be the same as a nuclear explosion, but humans will only see a mushroom cloud and destruction over a similar area

        But models are useful - they predict well enough to give us a starting point.

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• mvirts@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Lol wait is a joule actually one Newton meter? 😅

  Now I’m so confused

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  • zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’ve got it - it is a Newton-meter

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