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• naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Please show me that factory farming is overwhelmingly not cruel

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    cruelty would be inflicting pain for its own sake. in so-called factory farming, the pain is still only incidental. that is, if it were possible to create the same outputs with no additional inputs, and that process had no pain, there is no reason why a factory farming operation would prefer the painful process. so it is not cruel, it is only indifferent.

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    • naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So you are arguing that because a ruthless and uncaring system is responsible for creating massive suffering, it doesn’t matter? It’s awfully convenient that we don’t have to care about cruelty when it’s inherent in the system. People created these systems. We have the capacity to reduce the suffering. Why wouldn’t you want that?

      If dogs were raised in these conditions, people would be outraged (see korea, china, puppy mills, etc.) It’s a bit hypocritical, don’t you think?

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        We have the capacity to reduce the suffering.

        how?

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        cruelty is intentional. think of battlefield amputation: it hurts, but the pain isn’t the point. the pain is only incidental.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If dogs were raised in these conditions, people would be outraged (see korea, china, puppy mills, etc.) It’s a bit hypocritical, don’t you think?

        you can see this is just an appeal to emotion, right?

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