Comment on How the migrant crisis drained $150 billion from taxpayers in a single year
Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca 3 months agoif migrants didn’t generate net revenues positively in their country of origin, what makes you think they generate a net positive in the new host country? If they didn’t generate a net positive for their country of origin, like a failed state like Venezuela, by which evidence do you use to determine they are indeed productive enough?
The underlying assumption here is that the value of a human lies in their ability to generate profit for the factory owners, entrepreneurs, and venture capitalists of America. If they can’t, then they don’t deserve life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness.
jimbolauski@lemm.ee 3 months ago
That life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness has to be paid for by someone. Why burden US citizens all ready struggling with people coming here for free stuff.
Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Are you being serious with me right now?
Are you even American? I ask because in America we have this document that says people are endowed with unalienable rights. So no, nobody has to pay for that. This is a very fucking fundamental American thing.
People are struggling because of the decades long destructive neoliberal campaign to devalue labor and deny workers rights. The immigrants are fleeing places where CIA backed neoliberal policies have made things worse than here. Anyway, ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for blueberry muffins.
jimbolauski@lemm.ee 3 months ago
There is nothing in the constitution that guarantees life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness… There is certainly no document that says rights protected in the constitution are free,
Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
So probably not American then, because I think your average American would not confuse the declaration of Independence with the constitution. Fun fact: the constitution was written 11 years later.
That part of the declaration of Independence we are talking about says:
For the non-Americans like JimБолауски and the homeschooled kids let’s break down the meaning:
This is saying we believe these things are true, not because someone tells us but becauae we observe these as facts of reality
This is a rejection of the idea of “divine right,” a rejection of the idea that some people are just naturally better than others.
This is the part where JimБолауски is confused, so let’s make sense of it: “endowed by their Creator” means given by God. Or, if you are an atheist, the more plain meaning is that this is an aspect of being born human in this world.
“Unalienable” means can not be given or taken away. So “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights” means that humans have human rights just for being human, and these rights aren’t granted nor taken away by earthly powers. These rights don’t depend on your credit score or bank account, and these rights don’t dissolve just because a rich person in fancy clothes says they ought. These rights don’t accrue from paying taxes or generating profit for corporate overlords. These rights are not commodities and can neither be bought nor sold in the marketplace. These rights apply to humans of all nations, not just citizens of a certain nation. The authors could have specified, but did not. So that means everybody, including immigrants.
Now for those following along at home, I want you to recognise the thinking and the mindset of modern capitalist fascism:
When that document was written it was understood that such rights don’t apply to slaves, nor savages nor women. This is the america that fascists think is “great” and want to return to.
The modern capitalist fascist doesn’t believe that all men were created equal, they think some men are naturally better than others, and ought to be the leader. Evangelicals have said that Trump was sent or chosen by God -the absolute opposite of what the founding fathers of our nation said.
For the fascist there can be no equality or egalitarianism, only the hierarchy of the authoritarian and subordinates. This inequality extends to the enemy of fascism: the hated “other”. The nonwhite people, the gay and trans people, the immigrants. They are at once weak subhuman creatures and also powerful and crafty enemies that can destroy the nation if left unchecked. For the fascist, immigrants and trans people don’t deserve human rights.
The declaration of Independence says that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men. For the fascist it is the opposite: governments are instituted to grant and deny these rights. Rights are only granted to those who constantly perform rituals of allegiance and loyalty, and more importantly generate profit. For the capitalism fascist, the more positive revenue you can generate, the more rights you have to do whatever you want.
Anyway I’m tired of this but I feel like I have explained why the idea of human rights tied to being profitable is at odds with the most fundamental American principles of rights and the purpose of government. Why fascism is backwards and un-American, and why anyone who loves our country should reject such unpatriotic, insurrectionist, and destructive notions.
GOD BLESS AMERICA