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Including American citizens in the cost of illegal immigrants is dishonest.

It is actually honest. You measure what is paid in versus paid out. Many immigrants come with children. Those people need education services immediately if they are to assimilate into the flow of productivity. They also take healthcare dollars. These are all legitimate costs. Law enforcement costs money and pulled away from normal operation. Immigrants need to be processed. Property owners pay taxes to have law enforcement to protect property. Again, all legitimate costs. But let us examine your logic, if migrants didn’t generate net revenues positively in their country of origin, what makes you think they generate a net positive in the new host country?

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Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

if migrants didn’t generate net revenues positively in their country of origin, what makes you think they generate a net positive in the new host country? If they didn’t generate a net positive for their country of origin, like a failed state like Venezuela, by which evidence do you use to determine they are indeed productive enough?

The underlying assumption here is that the value of a human lies in their ability to generate profit for the factory owners, entrepreneurs, and venture capitalists of America. If they can’t, then they don’t deserve life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness.

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- jimbolauski@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  If they can’t, then they don’t deserve life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness.
  
  That life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness has to be paid for by someone. Why burden US citizens all ready struggling with people coming here for free stuff.
  
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  - Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Are you being serious with me right now?
    
    Are you even American? I ask because in America we have this document that says people are endowed with unalienable rights. So no, nobody has to pay for that. This is a very fucking fundamental American thing.
    
    People are struggling because of the decades long destructive neoliberal campaign to devalue labor and deny workers rights. The immigrants are fleeing places where CIA backed neoliberal policies have made things worse than here. Anyway, ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for blueberry muffins.
    
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    jimbolauski@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    There is nothing in the constitution that guarantees life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness… There is certainly no document that says rights protected in the constitution are free,
    
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ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Many immigrants come with children.

I wasn’t complaining about the inclusion of those children. I was complaining of the inclusion of children of immigrants born in the US which constitutionally makes them American citizens.

Law enforcement costs money and pulled away from normal operation.

Which is a choice we make. It is not inherent to immigration. For half the existence of this country we spent zero on regulating immigration.

if migrants didn’t generate net revenues positively in their country of origin, what makes you think they generate a net positive in the new host country?

Failure of productivity results from a corrupt and inefficient government in places like Venezuela. It has little to do with the capability of people. Go to any construction site or kitchen in the US and you will find them staffed with mostly immigrants. Labor created value and anyone can do labor if managed effectively.

Furthermore, why do municipalities like NYC have to cut services? Why do they have to evict migrants from shelters?

Because they don’t have sufficient funds to do so which could easily be fixed if xenophobes in government didn’t block taking action.

Using their logic, we should take in all the people in poverty in the world, and boost the GDP to astronomical levels by funding all of it.

Correct. Labor is the most valuable natural resource on Earth.

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- Amoxtli@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Correct. Labor is the most valuable natural resource on Earth.
  
  I said spending is an aggregate measure of GDP. You can’t even debate honestly and imply you are honest by saying other people are dishonest. It is best you are covered with a veil and blocked. Labor itself isn’t value. Value is the end product. Every country has labor. The productivity of the labor is not equal. This is what leftist don’t understand about the price of labor, is not due to the labor itself, but the value that comes out the other end. This is why labor is unequal… Blocked.
  
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wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Unfettered immigration would destroy the country in a few years. Wed collapse under the expense and the exploding crime right.

It’s entitled to think people deserve to come here. It’s a privilege to come to this country.

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