What’s wrong with an educated population?
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wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Issues such as the one faced by Marinette Marine have been widespread throughout the country, with shipyards turning to creative solutions such as offering training academies or partnering with technical colleges to get more workers the skills they need to build the Navy’s high-tech vessels.
I agree with this part so much. Instead of free college, we need free trade and technical schools. Good paying jobs, typically union with pensions and we have a huge shortage.
BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 3 months ago
randompasta@lemmy.today 3 months ago
An educated population is the only way we can compete on the world stage.
BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 3 months ago
You’re right, makes sense why conservatives don’t want that.
pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 3 months ago
They don’t vote against their best interests.
AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Do you think high skill trades aren’t an education? I don’t think they are saying anything against a traditional university education, but more supporting skilled trades as well.
BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 3 months ago
I agree we could support both. My comment was addressing the idea of valuing one over the other.
hohoho@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Why shouldn’t we have both?
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 3 months ago
If we made college free, we would restrict college to only the best and brightest. That is how the rest of the world does it.
I prefer our current system where it is available to anyone.
BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 3 months ago
You forgot the part where you have to have money first.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 3 months ago
There are student loans available to fund college or scholarships. The military also had the GI Bill. The National guard has the GI bill and variable program based on the state.
henfredemars@infosec.pub 3 months ago
While I am not a conservative, I may agree with you strongly on education. College degrees are massively overinflated in value and propped up by government-backed student debt. We need to get away from this idea that everyone needs to go to college to secure their best life because we critically need these trade skills in the economy, in conjunction with policies that support these workers.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I know people with master’s degrees who work in construction. They could have saved a lot of time and money by entering construction from the start.
There is nothing wrong with a trade. Most of my family works in a trade.
I think the problem is people have focused on college degrees as being magical, and people rush to get them without thinking how they will benefit them or make them employable.
Plumbers, electricians, and carpenters all make good money.
If we every want to grow out middle class, that is how we do it.
Zorque@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Personally I’d prefer if we didn’t have to hyperfocus on one specific skill, where demand could suddenly dry up at any moment for any number of reasons, to have to support ourselves.
A huge factor in our stagnation is that we promise people stability if they do this one thing… then we have to cater to that one thing for the next fifty years because they now have no other way to support themselves. So we keep pandering to coal miners and corn growers and whatever else.
Education should not be tied this closely with economy. It should be about growing and expanding our horizons, our ability to better understand the world around us and the people around us. Not about how best to be stuck in the same career for the next 50+ years.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Most agree. Corn is a little different as are most food crops. They’re fairly versatile in what they can be used for but otherwise I agree
I’ve done many things in my life by my core education for the most part was the binding factor.
My core education allowed me to explore many things while still being tied. Now liberals mock me because I’ve explored many things but doesn’t that make life fun?
cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world 3 months ago
To reach across the divide for a handshake:
This is something Biden and many progressives have been pushing for,
Free community college/trade schools: whitehouse.gov/…/readout-of-white-house-meeting-o…
Advanced manufacturing training and jobs in the US: whitehouse.gov/…/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administ…
And even pushing paid apprenticeships: whitehouse.gov/…/fact-sheet-president-biden-signs…
And specifically in shipbuilding and getting the workforce where it needs, both in private ships and the military, the admin is moving in the right direction, opening new shipbuilding yards, getting people to train up, and putting in ship orders whitehouse.gov/…/fact-sheet-white-house-announces…
Getting more manufacturing back in the US, becoming more self sufficient, and having dignified employment are all my goals as a progressive too, and I’m really happy there’s movement from the current administration in their areas (despite complaints in other areas)
(I used all Whitehouse links as a from-the-horses mouth source, but there are plenty of articles about each)
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 3 months ago
In the old days, companies used to provide all of these as benefits.
IBM used to take high school graduates, let them work for a few years, and then pay them to go to college and pay for their tuition.
IBM was not unique, my friend did something similar for Honeywell. They paid him to get his master’s degree and paid for the degree.
Companies wonder why employees don’t have loyalty and the answer is simple, they are not the same companies they used to be.
JD Vance has said we need to focus more on fighting companies. I wish they would focus more on his views and the voting base would agree with them.
time.com/…/jd-vance-trump-business-community-sepa…
cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I fully agree, companies whine and complain that they can’t find any skilled labor without ever acknowledging that it’s their job to train and take risks on the newbies. Instead they just want the perfect candidate for their specialized position to be gift wrapped and at “market rate” and desperate enough to go through multiple interview stages.
Even in my job, I’ve asked over and over for them to hire a junior/apprentice that I can train up from the beginning on our complex system and work, but they just want to hire short term contractors instead. We end spending the same amount of time training them as a junior, but then 6-12 months later when their contract is up, they go off somewhere else and we have to do it all over again and never build on our foundations.
I was hired as a contractor, and stuck through until I was an employee, and I’m now 5 years in, but it was not easy. It was essentially a two year paid interview.
And most don’t make it that way. If I was hired as a real employee as a junior, and able to train my way up with the masters of my company, who knows where I’d be and how not-delayed and not-over-budget our project would be.
When I talk to business about it, they moan how employees and contractors come from different budgets and the stock market favors contractors so their hands are tied, and I call bullshit on that. It’s bad business and the solution is obvious - train up the workforce you want to have.
It’s like buying a good pair of boots once, or buying cheap boots every year.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Agreed. Very few companies invest in their employees now day and that is the problem.
I can’t think of the company right now, but it was in the early 2000s. They needed more programmers, so anyone interested could take the aptitude test. If they passed, they were sent to a boot camp; if they passed that, they got to take college courses while working as entry-level programmers.
I have not seen any programs like that in a very long time.