Comment on How are slavery reparations fair?

• JustZ@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah it existed as a practice. The big slave markets and infrastructure was not there until the North American slave trade opened up.

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  • SexyTimeSasquatch@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Simply not correct at all. Look up the trans Saharan slave trade. It was absolutely enormous business before the Portuguese sailed down the West Coast of Africa.

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    • JustZ@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Uhh okay. You’re talking about dozens or hundred people or so at a time, thousands of people per year, mostly prisoners of war, traded domestically, deported over a period of 1,700 years.

      And it still not half as many slaves as were deported across the Atlantic in only 350 years. Millions of slaves died on the voyage. They built vast trading routes and employed slavers as a business model, building customized ships to transport 600 slaves at a time.

      Apples and oranges.

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      • SexyTimeSasquatch@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You have a profound misunderstanding of the trans Saharan slave trade. Over centuries it resulted in millions of West African slaves being transported into and through the Arab world. This may not even have been the most significant source of slaves out of Africa during the pre-European colonial period. It is highly likely that more slaves came from Central and East Africa via Zanzibar. Millions upon millions of slaves being extracted from Africa before the Portuguese arrived. I’m not saying that what Europe did was even remotely reasonable. Just understand that we didn’t invent slavery, we didn’t start up slavery in Africa out of nowhere. It doesn’t excuse us. But we’re not uniquely evil either.

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    • ZodiacSF1969@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lol why is that comment you’re replying to so upvoted, people just like what they want to hear.

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  • CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And? Thats not exactly question…

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• charonn0@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Between 1500 and 1865, more than 80% of enslaved Africans were shipped to the Americas by European slave traders.

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  • Neuromancer49@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve never seen an exact number ascribed to it, any chance you have a source?

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  • CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Uh… Yes Traders. They bought them in Africa and shipped them to America.

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    • charonn0@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What are you trying to say?

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      • Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        He’s saying he’s a bigot for anyone who’s listening

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      • CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Im saying fuck the idea of paying some country reparations for such things that happened. Everyone involved is dead.

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• abies_exarchia@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What do you think an enormous demand for slaves, as the colonial nations building plantations and mines in the americas, does to a the supply of slaves? Supply and demand, friend. It’s not as if all the enslaved people exported to the Americas were already in circulation when the europeans came knocking

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  • CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    At that point the people there can’t put the blame on the buyer.

    If Nescle kills children and steals water, but you buy it its not you doing the bad thing, you “just” support it.

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    • roguetrick@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I can't think of a single ethical framework that considers having someone else do your dirty work as permissible. If you have zero agency, sure. If you have nearly all the agency, like the colonial powers, no.

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      • CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’ve never said that it was a good or acceptable thing, im just very very opposed to the idea of reparations for such things.

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    • protist@mander.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This argument is based on the idea that buying ill-gotten water is equivalent to buying people

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• DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What’s your point?

  “I’m going to take these slaves and exploit them because if I don’t someone else will”

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• XiELEd@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nope, they deliberately made it so that the populations of African countries can easily be enslaved.

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