Isn’t a machine taking your money and not receiving anything from it isn’t?
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thingsiplay@beehaw.org 4 months ago
He was hacking the machine. But isn’t it stealing and illegal, if he short circuit the machine? I mean its like showing someone how to get free apple, by going in a shop and stealing without anyone notices it. Or by hacking into a server and ordering a meal for free. I don’t see how this is any different.
terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
thingsiplay@beehaw.org 4 months ago
That’s a different issue. The machine was obviously defective, not stealing your money. And even if someone steal from you, doesn’t change the fact you stole too. Someone doing something illegal does not give you the rights doing something illegal too.
terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
And to a point I agree. But the way the story reads, it sounds like not much was done with the new machines after installation. We’ve all had money taken from faulty vending machines. But the stakes are slightly higher in this.
thingsiplay@beehaw.org 4 months ago
But isn’t he abusing it further than just getting his money back? If you know a weak point on a machine and use it just so you give yourself the right to abuse it, is criminal in my opinion. The first time is probably an accident and taking back what is his own. Now he has the knowledge and is going with the intention to abuse a defect.
Let’s say a shop website has an issue and one time the site was faulty and did take your money without anything in return. Then the hacker decides to break the law and get his money back, somewhat understandable, but not legally right. Still stealing. Then he realizes this loophole would be abused to make more money and nobody would notice. That’s not okay anymore.
Or do I read it wrong here? The above analogy hopefully explains how I view this situation.
Kissaki@beehaw.org 4 months ago
It’s not the same kind of stealing as stealing an apple or meal. Those remove the product, the material in its entirety.
The only devaluation washing does is in wear. And even less directly in the initial investment not being paid back upon use.
That’s concerns outside of morals. But stealing products isnt equateable.
Vodulas@beehaw.org 4 months ago
Meh, it is illegal, but personally I don’t find it immoral. Laundry machines like this are just another way for landlords to extract money from their tenants for basic needs. They have them in a captive situation and should be providing either hookups in unit or free laundry facilities.
Admetus@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
‘Free laundry machines’ could essentially be included in the rent, provided laundry machines are used properly and intentional damage paid for. I would be okay with CCTV being employed to ensure this. An extra $10 for water usage, and everyone uses their own detergent.
But does that make sense for capitalists?
Vodulas@beehaw.org 4 months ago
For me, rents are already pure profit for most apartment buildings, so they should just include it. I do agree there would need to be some incentive to keep them in order, but CCTV seems a little invasive. Not sure what the answer is, but I don’t think landlords would do it any how
Admetus@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
Profit 😕
I agree CCTV is a bit invasive…depends on the tenants! If I were a landlord with some tenants of concern, I’d have washing machines facing away from CCTV so no laundry is on camera!
Summzashi@lemmy.one 4 months ago
What stops a tenant from just getting a laundry machine themselves?
This is such an American thing.
Vodulas@beehaw.org 4 months ago
Hookups for one, you need a inlet and drain for the washer a different a vent for the dryer. A place to put it as well. They are big and bulky. You can get ventless combo machines, but still have the issue of water hookups and space.
Summzashi@lemmy.one 4 months ago
If the issue is space, yeah that sucks. The hookups are a non issue though.
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 4 months ago
Not all American apartments have water lines for the washer or 30a outlets for the dryer, much less dedicated space for the devices.
Summzashi@lemmy.one 4 months ago
I just plug my dryer in a normal outlet and empty a reservoir every once in a while. You can easily run a water line to a washer, that’s really a non issue.
Space might be scarce, sure. I’ve just never seen anything like what is being described in this thread except for American movies and such. Seems like such an easy thing to just not participate in.
Might be to foreign to understand the problem.