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Cheating is definitely a problem in SF6, but it’s a lot less of a challenge dealing with it due to match duration. You generally move on to different opponents fast enough, unless of course you’re at the highest ranks.

Still agree that kernel level anti-cheat does nothing here, and I also won’t be buying it due to that reason.

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DacoTaco@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
How would cheating in a fighter even look like? Those games are mostly about reading your opponent. Unlike a fps or moba, all info is on the screen etc :/

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- Sharkwellington@lemmy.one ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  How would cheating in a fighter even look like?..Auto combo-ing? Auto reponse?
  
  Generally the cheat will do something like, read the input the server just said you did, and then send a faster move that will beat it. It can be a bit more obvious in SF6 because usually your best move against a heavy attack is an inhumanly fast DI (drive impact) reaction. Here’s a video from Diaphone that explains how he can tell.
  
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  - DacoTaco@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Thanks! I will take a listen at that video! I imagine in sf3 it could also have been obvious with the parry system
    
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    Sharkwellington@lemmy.one ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Since you mention it, here is the same guy using it for perfect parries and jump-ins as well.
    
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- Renacles@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Auto block, auto parry, auth whiff punish, auto anti-air, auto drive impact on big moves, etc.
  
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  - DacoTaco@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Right, so basically things that decent skills would also get you?
    Also, if you feel being aggressive doesnt help you, you start playing defensively and thats when you can strike back. Cheats or not, it still has to attack and is still stuck on the frame limits of the move right? Thats when you can strike back, no?
    
    Im not saying cheating isnt bad, and im not saying its not annoying either, but in general fighters are different and they are completely skill based unless the cheater changes things that the other can never do.
    Pretty sure ive fought cheaters back in the day in sf4 before, but that was never that bad because i still had options to fight them back…
    
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    Renacles@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No, a lot of those things are simply not possible for a human being, perfectly parrying a 4 frame move on reaction is impossible.
    
    Same with throws and other 50/50, they can defend perfectly in situations where a player is meant to guess.
    
    youtu.be/7AoAZGHHzt4?si=g82On4LnowBkS2aM
    
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- steal_your_face@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  From the article:
  
  Tony stated the following, “A lot of the cheats we see in fighting games are either about reading inputs, reading game state, or injecting inputs. They involve modifying the game binary in some way. Vanguard is really good at that, right? It’s a kernel-level anti-cheat, so it can detect and prevent a lot of those things happening.”
  
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ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
They exist, but they’re so rare that I wouldn’t call it a problem, and definitely not worth solving with the nuclear option.

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