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• xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Criticising liberal policy is absolutely reasonable

  Using “the libs” as a catch-all term for “anyone I disagree with” is the marker of an incoming terrible take

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  • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I don’t use it that way. There are plenty of people I disagree with who aren’t libs. But in this case I was talking about a specific group of conspiracy theorists who are active on Lemmy who are, general speaking, libs.

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    • xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      “generally speaking” as in “I pulled this stat out of my ass”

      Calling you a russian bot isn’t exactly a liberal policy, is it?

      If your reasoning for determining someone is “a lib” is saying that, then that’s exactly how you’re using the term.

      The fact you immediately assumed I was a capitalist is a pretty compelling argument that you’re not good at determining people’s ideologies based on their unrelated complaints about your bad takes

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        This may come as a surprise to you, but there are plenty of people who I disagree with who don’t baselessly accuse everyone they disagree with of being Russian bots. There happens to be a shit ton of overlap between liberals and people who subscribe to that particular conspiracy theory.

        I called you a supporter of capitalism because you objected to criticism of supporters of capitalism. You can identify how you please, but if you quack, I’m gonna assume you’re a duck. Doesn’t mean I accuse everyone of being ducks.

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• UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Not the person u replied to.

  Of course I like criticising actual liberals. I just don’t like criticising socialists who don’t like to go the tankie way whom u call liberals.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Who said that?

    Lemmy.world is a predominantly liberal instance, not a predominantly Socialist instance. Most people here are liberals and just want to reform Capitalism into a healthier version of itself, rather than change Mode of Production to Socialism.

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    • UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I got called a liberal for wanting to support cooperatives. I got called a liberal for not wanting to participate in an armed socialist revolution.

      I’ve largely seen the word “liberal” being used by tankies to dismiss the opinions of all people that they disagree with.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Did that happen here, or are you projecting that onto others?

        As for supporting cooperatives, you’d be a Market Socialist, so not a Communist, but not really liberal either.

        As for the question of Reform or Revolution, it’s pretty clear by this point that Reform might as well be impossible. Revolutionary Leftists would certainly love reform if it worked, but you can clearly see what happened to Allende the last time a Marxist won democratically. You can even see last night’s attempted coup in Bolivia against the Social Democrat Arce.

        As such, the majority of Socialists are Revolutionary, so you have more fringe views.

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