Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?

• Tryptaminev@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Important notion that Jesus never claimed to be the son of god and that entire line of thinking was established some four hundred years after.

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

  So we have to differentiate between what is the actual Gospel and life of Jesus and what the more creative parts of the churches invented on top of it over time.

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  • nyctre@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

    Which is from one of the original 4 gospels. Apparently there’s evidence of it being written as early as 70AD. There’s a couple other quotes I found in a link some other person linked in this thread but this one seems most direct.

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    • Tryptaminev@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I think this is a terminological confusion. The original Gospel as in the life and teaching of Jesus, that got lost as it wasn’t documented in his lifetime.

      The four gospels that made the choice are as you said collections written later. And there were many more Gospels that the early church decided not to put into the bible. On top of that there is the issue how those gospels got translated multiple times and each translation inadvertently adds a layer of interpretation.

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      • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Alright but he quoted a gospel from 70AD, and the idea that in the “true gospel” he wasn’t the son of god or never claimed to be is a concept present in opposing religions like Islam first written down 500 years later, which famously mistranslated Marry with “she flowed like a river” instead of “she was chaste” when the region was constantly caught between Phoenician based alphabets like Greek, Hebrew, multiple Arabics, and much later on Cyrillic.

        The Roman’s artistic licenses aside, their accounts of history are the most reliable source on all of this.

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      • nyctre@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Ah, okay. But then we can’t really make a claim either way, can we? We don’t really know who he was or who he claimed to be.

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  • SorteKanin@feddit.dk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Sure, but that doesn’t change the fact that there was (most likely) an actual historical person who is the origin of these stories, i.e. Jesus. He’s probably not really as fantastical as the Bible would have you believe, but he did exist, as opposed to being just an entirely fictional character.

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