Comment on Reform UK pulls to within two points of Tories in latest YouGov poll
Wanderer@lemm.ee 5 months agometro.co.uk/…/this-top-parties-election-say-immig…
Labour has some vague promises about controlling borders. Great doesn’t really say anything at all does it? Doesn’t sound like immigration is going to come massively down.
Greens: No barriers to prevent or deter asylum seekers wanting to come into the UK. Scrap minimum income and language requirements for visas.
Brilliant. We have people already coming to the UK that won’t integrate now we are going to bring in people that can’t even speak English.
Do you actually care what plaid, SNP or any of the NI parties have to say? They are largely on labours level.
Reform
Focus on ‘the immigration election’ Stop the boats’ (with a six-point plan) Freeze all non-essential, ‘unskilled’ immigration (excluding care workers)
You must be able to see how reform are talking about doing more about immigration right? You can’t be that thick.
You must be able to see voting for reform comes across more as “the UK wants less immigration” than voting for greens or labour.
undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Don’t worry, no one here is as thick as you. Apparently, a points based system and banning companies who abuse the system is too vague and hard to understand for some of us.
“The boats” are a drop in the bucket compared to legal immigration, all cheered on by right wing corporatists. Its just a banner to distract morons.
So, what left leaving policy did they have? Remember, you had some hilarious claims about needing economic lefty-ness before. So, they must have something. I mean, it can’t just be about immigration when all those factors that won you over would be included in a points based system?
Lol, we both know its not about the fine detail. Its about dog whistling.
Wanderer@lemm.ee 5 months ago
If they capped the points based system them might get my vote. But points based system doesn’t necessarily mean a drop in immigration.
I think I said I believe in economic left wing ideas I actually wrote some out here.
lemm.ee/comment/12515389
But for the benefit of the country, and the workers long term. Immigration trumps all my economic views, they can wait. Immigration down now, then left wing policies later.
undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The reason we have such hight immigration is because companies have been allowed to run roughshod over our immigration system. All they have to do is float some job adverts and they can pretend there’s a skill shortage. Corporatists have done this to stop wages from going up. I image we agree roughly so far.
Labour want a points based system and a central body overlooking what actually is a skill shortage and whats a lie. Immigration will go down, as soon as you don’t have corporatists in charge.
Haven’t you found it funny how reform get so much airtime, despite having only one, solitary councillor in the whole of the UK? I mean, the greens have nearly 1,000 but we don’t hear a peep out of them on the big news stations. Yet reform are all 9ver the place.
Anyway, in completely unrelated news I’m sure, reform are looking to gut our NHS and they’re getting huge backing, support and platforming by the lobby groups who are lickling their lips and circling like vultures hoping to gorge themselves on tax payer money and the death our NHS may be driven to by the tories.
I had a glace at your link and I think we agree on lots of things. I’m sad to see that you’ve been convinced that we would ever be allowed to work less, under right wing governments. Theyre the driving force of immigration, lowered wages and cut services. There’s nothing to suggest labour won’t reduce immigration, other than the wild declarations and made up stories of people who would never vote labour anyway.
Youre trying to fuck your way to virginity.
Wanderer@lemm.ee 5 months ago
I agree with most of what you said. But the right won’t get in again unless they toughen up on immigration. The far right or the left will get in and the left know people want lowered immigration.
I’m never voting labour, I never have and I never will unless they try to get rid of FPTP. They are going to win anyway so my vote does nothing.
I don’t think we will. But I love this country and I’m willing to make sacrifices, if I need to work 6 days a week to keep immigration down that’s a tradeoff I’m happy to accept. But again. I don’t represent 20 million votes. Me voting labour or reform isn’t going to get either party in power/ keep them out.